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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 11, 2004 21:51:30 GMT -5
Exactly... in a way. Damn, gotta go to work. Will try and expand upon this, but broadly I agree with the above. It must be remembered that we're also talking about the over-arching approach to the Imperial Cult on worlds... One thing that I did not envision with the ASP is creating the Imperial Cult and its tenets, but it might be necessary in simplified form!
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Post by Minister on Jul 13, 2004 9:10:36 GMT -5
The story is Acceptable Losses, from Inferno! 9 originally.
As for level of compliance? I would, by analogy, use the southern US as presented in the traditional stereotypes (having only conversed at length with two persons from the southern US, both lovely lasses whom I will hear nothing said against, this is not intended to be offensive or even accurate, but the stereotype is useful as an illustration). The majority are true believers, as it were, and a large percentage of those make a point of observing all the major services and the like. Whilst some, or even many, may break with doctrine, they will take great insult at any implication that they are not highly pious. Within the grouping there will be, with varying frequency, groups who take the church doctrine (or their version of it) to great extremes. Any who are not believers in the faith will keep that opinion to themselves, and are likely to make at least cursory observances to church dictates. Governmental officials will almost always be, or at least take pains to appear, pious individuals.
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Post by Brusilov on Jul 14, 2004 20:32:31 GMT -5
I have not read the thread to be frank but I'll ask the following question as far as the Imperial Cult goes, which IMO is of great importance: Does the Ministorum believe the Emperor was always a god, even when he walked amongst mortals? Or did he become a god when He was enthroned in the Golden Throne?
This may seem like nothing but split of the Christian Church have happened for less than this (just look at the split between Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox in the 11th century about stuff like the Transubstantation and the Holy Trinity).
This is also important to me because I'm planning on creating a cult on my world that has beliefs slightly different to that of the Ecclesiarchy. They believe the Emperor was a man that became a god, while I think the Ministorum consider the Emperor was always a god
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 15, 2004 1:21:54 GMT -5
I would highly doubt that the adeptus ministorum is as monolithic in their approach to the Emperor as has been argued previously (although not here). As with the Inquisition and - for the ASP - the adeptus mechanicus, it would be far more interesting to create a factional approach...
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Post by CELS on Jul 15, 2004 4:35:56 GMT -5
Well.. there was a discussion about this on Portent many moons ago, and I believe I proposed six different common views of the Emperor within the Imperium. Does anyone on the ASP have the ability to perform searches on Portent? Perhaps we could restart some of the old threads on Imperial faith here?
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Post by Sojourner on Jul 15, 2004 6:31:32 GMT -5
'Ascension Day' is supposedly a common festival among Imperial servants.
So I think they do regard him as a man who became a God.
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Post by Brusilov on Jul 15, 2004 23:46:45 GMT -5
Not necessarily, there is an Ascension Day in Christian religion (at least in the Roman Catholic Church), celebrating IIRC the Ascension of Maria, Mother of Christ to Heaven.
Personally one could argue that the Ministorum would believe the Emperor has always been a god and that he took human form to better guide makind on the Golden Path (sorry for Dune reference). This would be especially true after 10,000 years. Ecclesiarchy orthodox dogma could have changed over the space of that long a period.
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Post by Minister on Jul 16, 2004 11:46:54 GMT -5
Does the Ministorum believe the Emperor was always a god, even when he walked amongst mortals? Or did he become a god when He was enthroned in the Golden Throne?
Yes.
;D
This is specificly stated as on eof the issues for contention in the Synoids in Codex SoB. If they vary on something this major, you can bet your peaked Commissar's cap that just about everything else is run through the philosophical mangler on a regular basis too.
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Post by Brusilov on Jul 18, 2004 21:04:19 GMT -5
Well, considering the planet was settled before the Ministorum became fully organised or before its reach extended as far as Anargo, would you think it'd be possible that it survived. After all, beside that the Urelski are as faithful servants of the Emperor as anyone else. Simply I wanted them to be different in order to minimise Ministorum influence and the planet and give more potential conflict between the Patriarch of New Constantinople, chief of the "Old Believers' Church and the Ecclesiarchical representative on Urelsk
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