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Post by malika on Nov 2, 2004 9:58:53 GMT -5
True..but both of them are possibilites  |
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Post by Philip on Nov 2, 2004 10:04:51 GMT -5
True..but both of them are possibilites Yes they are, but I am not convinced that having a lower percentage of males will automatically result in a Matriarchy, it may even have a reverse effect and a world could end up with large harems and a few super-strong-mega-dominant males as a opposed to the other extreme of ‘disposable males’  |
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Post by malika on Nov 2, 2004 10:18:28 GMT -5
That is true...but what about the idea of males who are genetically inferior to their female counterparts...something that the Escher Gangers on Necromunda seem to have
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Post by Philip on Nov 2, 2004 10:25:59 GMT -5
That is true...but what about the idea of males who are genetically inferior to their female counterparts...something that the Escher Gangers on Necromunda seem to have Genetically inferior?  In what way? |
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Post by Dazo on Nov 2, 2004 10:58:39 GMT -5
They didn't slap down the evil empire when they had the chance  |
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Post by malika on Nov 2, 2004 10:59:42 GMT -5
Well it said something like that in the Necromunda fluff...older stuff though (it might have changed). But I think it could be that due to certain chemicals or radiation it has an effect on the male genes...perhaps it would only affect their intelligence or something physical, but it would make them inferior to females...hey the 40k universe is a big place where everything could happen |
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Post by Philip on Nov 2, 2004 11:17:08 GMT -5
perhaps it would only affect their intelligence or something physical, but it would make them inferior to females...hey the 40k universe is a big place where everything could happen Many men are already ‘inferior’ to women without any chemicals, but I get the idea |
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Post by Destecado on Nov 4, 2004 17:16:43 GMT -5
Women are quite capable of running a society without any special biological reasons. Women are also quite capable of forming organised warrior groups who are able to take on men and win. The reasons for a Matriarchy are more to do with a society’s belief structure and environment. Again, the genetic option I put forward is but one scenario. There are a multitude of ways to achieve a matriarchy. The problem of course is what the relationship of a martiarcical society would be with the Imperium which is definitly male dominated (at least in the manner that GW write it). An interesting story or world concept may be a matriarchy fighting the slow advance of a patriarchal society. Women were the central figures in most old pagan religious rites. their role was eventaully displaced by a male dominated society and the history of women as religious figure was slowly wiped away by the ages. Perhap you could have a progressive culture developed on one world in the system where although it is ruled by a matriarchy, both women and men are seen as equals. there could be a culture on a moon or other planet in the system which does not hold the same societal view. It could perhaps be reminicent of Sparta (with the other culture more reminicent of Athens). Although no open war exists between the two, a shadow or cold war goes on behind the scenes. Maybe the Imperial Guard unit for the system is pulled from the Spartan Like world. It may be that their world is low in resources and barely supports its people. Many join the guard as a way off world and as a way to send money or supplies back to their home world. The Athens like world on the other hand is a center of learning. While they have a defense force, it is an all volunteer force. The planet is fertile and produces bountiful harvests, which they are willing to share with their neighbors...for a price. The price is the stationing of military units from the other planet to suppliment their own troops. Again, this is but another path that a Matriarchy could take. It is also important to rememebr that these societies have a back story. As you said in your later post Philip... it is entirely possible that the Matriarchy went through this stage before reaching ascendancy. Perhaps they killed off all of their males or shipped thos few remaining off planet and only nowhave children the artificial insemination. If any boys are born, they might ship them off world as well for adoption or teach them how to respect women as equals rather than try to dominated them as there forefathers did...Again, this is all open for interpretation. |
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Post by Philip on Nov 9, 2004 13:58:38 GMT -5
The problem of course is what the relationship of a martiarcical society would be with the Imperium which is definitly male dominated (at least in the manner that GW write it). Hmm, I’m not so sure it is: the Sisters of Battle are quite powerful and many Inquisitors are female, as are many assassins - also women can serve in the IG. The only real area that is all male is the Space Marine Chapters, which are a very small percentage of Imperial forces but make up a very high percentage of stories from GW/ BL. |
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Post by Dazo on Nov 10, 2004 8:40:45 GMT -5
I don't think the imperium cares they are all just grist for the mill, male or female.
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Post by malika on Nov 10, 2004 15:10:51 GMT -5
I think on some worlds they do care...some might have matriarchal societies...perhas on those worlds only women are allowed to join the army ;D
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Post by Dazo on Nov 11, 2004 7:33:20 GMT -5
Oh well on the worlds in question I should imagine they would care, but the imperium is a seperate entity for which all humans exist simply to grease the wheels as it were  |
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Nov 11, 2004 13:23:53 GMT -5
A matriarchal society...
There's a book at my high school that one teacher has about a billlion copies of called Herland. It's for the juniors or seniors, and I've only glaned at the back cover, but the idea seems to be a matriarchal society on some remote land or island, set in "Imperial Britain" (don't know the actual time-period term) where there appear to be no men at all, at least from the POV of this group of explorers that shipwreck there. They go looking, because, in the words of the synopsis. (not discriminating personally in any way) "There must be men somewhere in what seems to be such a civilized land".
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Post by Minister on Dec 2, 2004 18:12:58 GMT -5
There were originally models for female space marines (long before the idea of Sisters of Battle was ever dreamed up). Subsiquent editions sent them the way of the squats (curse the patriarchal GW) There were females in power armour. Not the same thing, hmm? |
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Post by Dazo on Dec 3, 2004 3:54:11 GMT -5
I remember those pictures, and they were not spacemarines, they were power armoured nuns, they even had the fleur de lis like the sister do today. And I think they were supposed to be the ones that kept an eye on the space marines.
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In what way?
