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Post by rsljudd on Oct 8, 2004 6:23:35 GMT -5
how do you see the role of women in this project? as housewives types, or going off to war with their menfolk Amazons ? or will there be a womens battalion in the chapter?, or in the guard??? or will they be seperate?or non exsistent?...
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Post by Philip on Oct 8, 2004 7:57:57 GMT -5
Women’s role would be as many and varied as the Men’s in 40K. They fight in the IG, work on shop floor of heavy industry/ operate heavy machinery, pilot craft etc.
Basically any work/ job a man can do, women will do too. As an archetype, think of WWII Russia (women made tanks and fought on the fount line), French resistance, (women did covert sabotage missions) or England (women built Spitfires, one of the best planes of WWII), Germany (women worked in heavy industry, and fought).
The only thing women can’t do in 40K is become a Space Marine. The only thing a man can’t do in 40K is become a Sister of Battle.
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Post by Kage2020 on Oct 8, 2004 8:29:27 GMT -5
Any woman who wishes to become involved in the project may do so freely! In terms of the universe? Gender bias may crop up in increasing socio-economic rank, though. There is more difference between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' than within the 'haves' themselves... Erm, or something like that. Personally I see it most prominently cropping up in the adeptus mechanicus or, rather, the lack of gender bias. Biological sex is seen there more as an irrelevance than anywhere else. Oh yes, and this is definitely going to be moved to General Chat...
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Post by Dazo on Oct 8, 2004 12:26:58 GMT -5
Absoloutly, its a shame none seem to be interested in doing so though.
The Imperium is very progressive(that makes me ill to have to use those two words in the same sentence) in regards to women in that there seems to be almost total equality between the sexes as far as the Imperium itself is concerned. I would suspect though that that may not be true on many of planets within the imperium, who would have a different cultural outlook
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Post by malika on Oct 8, 2004 13:29:16 GMT -5
Well CELS had some female Tech Priest or was it a Tech Adept for some of the Adeptus Mechanicus fluff he wrote
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Post by rsljudd on Oct 13, 2004 6:21:24 GMT -5
sssoo basically anything goes ? just as long as their not in the space marines? they could be fluffy fawning females for a governer or high ranking official, or a hard as nails bodyguard/hive gang.. ?and/or anything in between.
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Post by malika on Oct 13, 2004 9:32:27 GMT -5
Really depends what kind of world you are, but almost everything goes I guess
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Post by CELS on Oct 13, 2004 10:10:22 GMT -5
Women have always had a place in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Female inquisitors, navigators, Arbites, IG, scribes, tech priests, guild leaders, commissars, navy officers, sisters of battle, governors... etc, etc.
Since women usually appear in 40k fluff and fiction, I really don't understand why anyone would fear that this should not be the case in the ASP.
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Post by Dazo on Oct 13, 2004 11:16:49 GMT -5
I have yet to see any type of matriarchal worlds, as opposed to patriarchal, yet, though the Imperium is a big place so there must be one out there somewhere.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Oct 15, 2004 18:37:42 GMT -5
isn't a matriarchal world given as an example in the World-Building Guide?
One general question: Was any reason ever given WHY women were never able to be Space Marines? I seem to remember something vague like "the organs only work for males" or something like that.
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Post by Dazo on Oct 16, 2004 3:58:18 GMT -5
That sounds right glyph, but I meant used by GW, I haven't seen reference to any kind of matriarchal society in their literature, I may be wrong of course, as I havn't read everything they ever published.
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Post by Philip on Oct 18, 2004 5:03:02 GMT -5
That sounds right glyph, but I meant used by GW, I haven't seen reference to any kind of matriarchal society in their literature, I may be wrong of course, as I havn't read everything they ever published. The closest is Clan Escher.
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Post by malika on Nov 1, 2004 10:47:33 GMT -5
isn't a matriarchal world given as an example in the World-Building Guide? One general question: Was any reason ever given WHY women were never able to be Space Marines? I seem to remember something vague like "the organs only work for males" or something like that. It would make sense, the organs are only accepted by male hormones or something. This is something you see in current medicine also, many medicin are tested or made based on the male hormones because they are more regular or something like that. But then women also take these medicins and there might be small side effects for example. (my philosophy book get off topic a lot like that) But ok..a martriarchal planet could be interesting, I dont know if the women would be superior due to genetics (like on Necromunda with the Eshers) or it would be a cultural thing, some form of extreme feminism/emancipation which caused the women to take over the world and place the men in some sort of inferior role.
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Post by Destecado on Nov 1, 2004 18:18:09 GMT -5
There were originally models for female space marines (long before the idea of Sisters of Battle was ever dreamed up). Subsiquent editions sent them the way of the squats (curse the patriarchal GW) After reading some articles on Mitochondrial DNA an interesting thought for a matriarchy occured to me. For those of you that haven't taken any biology classes, i will provide a little background. The chromosomes in a cell nucleus are grouped in pairs -23 pairs in all. One member of each pair has come from the mother of the individual and the other member from the father. Of the 23 pairs, 22 are essentially identical to each other. The 23rd pair is either a pair of X chromosomes, meaning the individual is female, or an X chromosome and a Y chromosome, meaning the individual is male. When humans produce sperm and eggs, the chromosome pairs separate and the egg or sperm receives only one member of each pair. Each sperm produced by a man has 22 chromosomes plus either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. Each egg produced by a woman contains 22 chromosomes plus an X chromosome. Before the chromosomes separate in this way the pairs swap pieces of their DNA with each other. In women this process happens with all the chromosome pairs including the double X pair. However, because the X and the Y chromosomes in a man are so different they swap almost no DNA with each other when they separate. When the sperm and the egg join together in fertilization the individual chromosomes pair up again. Because the Y chromosome cannot easily swap information with the X chromosome, the Y chromosome in a man's sperm will be an almost exact copy of the Y chromosome in his body's cells. Therefore, any sons the man fathers will also carry this same Y chromosome. Polymorphisms (subtle variances) in a man's Y chromosome are also passed directly on to his sons, and then on to their sons and so on. These polymorphisms mark a man's Y chromosome and distinguish it from those of other men. As scientists know approximately how often certain kinds of mutations occur they can look for these and determine how closely related any two men are. It is not just the Y chromosome which retain a record of genetic ancestry. Women also carry a record of their history in their mitochondrial DNA. This DNA is found outside the cell's nucleus in the mitochondria, which produce the cell's energy. Following fertilization of an egg by a sperm, the sperm's mitochondria are discarded and only the mitochondria from the mother are retained in the new cells. Therefore, the DNA in each person's mitochondria is a unique record of his or her maternal heritage. It could therefore be possible to tailor a biophage or other biologic weapon that targets the Y (male) chromosome without having serious impact upon the (X) female chromosome. Perhaps it was a disease released by a feminist terrorist group. It could be an something in the enviromet that effectsjust the Y chromosome. It may be interesting to have it be a by product of their industrial society. Example: The eggs of American Bald Eagles have are very fragile. The effects of DDT have caused the walls of the eggs to become thin and brittle. The DDT was sprayed over fields as an insecticide, but rains carried it into river systems where it got into the fish and was concentrated and then the fish were eaten by the Eagles. Maybe there has been a drop off in the number of men born in the society, so naturally women had to take up leadership. Anyone interest in creating a Matriarchy, please feel free to use this idea.
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Post by Philip on Nov 2, 2004 9:32:43 GMT -5
Women are quite capable of running a society without any special biological reasons. Women are also quite capable of forming organised warrior groups who are able to take on men and win.
The reasons for a Matriarchy are more to do with a society’s belief structure and environment.
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