Post by Philip on Sept 7, 2004 10:22:38 GMT -5
Kage2020 said:
And to be honest I still like some of the ideas of the "STCS:CS" concept for general application to the 40k universe...
Ah, STC:CS now, I dropped the ‘s’ as suggested.
Kage2020 said:
Everything else, though? There are glimmers of interst in all of them but I think that they are very pre-1st draft in conceptualisation at present.
Hence the 0.1, 0.2 etc.
Kage2020 said:
Fairy snuff... I would therefore suggest that you moderate many of the claims that you are associating with a specific concept. Not only in terms of direct application to the 40k universe but also in specific representation, many of the ideas that you present come of as... well... munchkin. There is a core of extreme 'coolness', but the ways in which you take it are so obviously either 'not 40k' or... well... munchkin.
This is an area I have to work on, in the beginning I was thinking of it from the GAoT designer’s point of view at the expense of the 40K feel. During the GAoT humanity was full of hope, a thriving dynamic society, and optimistic in outlook. Obviously 40K is very different.
Kage2020 said:
But in many ways you destroyed the concept of what the hive is... they are supposed not to work. Again I remind you that I was rather fond of your approach to self-contained ecosystems...
Don’t worry, when 40K comes around they no longer work as intended in the GAoT. Along with wear and tear, retro fitting with lower grade tech, poor maintenance, overcrowding, lack of new building work, lack of training, lack of STC, and well, trust me; They’ll be a total mess.
Kage2020 said:
That is my goal as well... but I'm really sorry to say that I do not think that any of your concepts are "'fluff' invisible", with the exception of 'nRobots' and then only because they are not detailed in the 'fluff'.
At the moment they are not, but it will change.
Kage2020 said:
Which surely destroys the very image of a hiveworld... STC and hiveworlds are in many ways exclusive.
STC is for habitants and overall city grid layout. The STC is not setting out to build a ‘Hive’ but do take into account that it could happen in the far future.
To a colony all this really means is that while C-Blocks may be 200m apart (to allow a rail line in the far future) they do not need to know why they are 200m apart in the first place. It doesn’t mean that the rail line has to be built now, it may never even be built in the future, or other (non STC) stuff may be built in the space. It may be the perfect spot for a market/ bazaar in 40K. The point is, that it is in the design from the off.
Kage2020 said:
Prefab 'hives' is something that I do have a problem insofar as they are a desired goal. As organic concretion, as with the 'fluff', they are - they must - be fine. With that said the 'hives' on Anargo are themselves outgrowths of arcologies...
Not prefab Hives, but prefab habitats or many bits of prefab habitats knocked up on site and added to the city (an extra floor, a new C-Block). The building work regulated by the STC. In time, in the very far future there may be a ‘Hive’ that would work because the colony followed the STC. During the GAoT the STC controlled everything.
However in 40K, that is no longer the case, and a Hive could come about by an independently conceived design.
Arcologies as in 'Arcology: The City in the Image of Man'?
Hmm, the concepts are along the same lines, but my design goes a lot further and solves all the problems outlined: With each C-Block covering a land area only 300m2 containing 6 hydroponics modules, for a total growing area of 150 sq/km and supporting 1,600 people it is a highly effective use of natural resources to maximise living space. Also people have lots of space to live in, each flat (2 adults and 2 kids/ grandparents) has a total area is 20m x20m, not to mention the large communal spaces, workshops. markets etc. each C-Block is like a mini village!
Kage2020 said:
Then my apologies. It did not seem thus. Please accept the closure of the original thread as a "poke" to move forwards in a style appropriate to the 40k universe.
I was in the process of 40King it, remember all the Gothic shrines and churches, the new governmental building on the roofs, the need for imports etc?
Next time I’ll write up Invictonburg as a 40K world and the STC will be incidental (just as technology should be in 40K).
Dazo said:
So if the prefab habitats actually ended up being so numerous that a hive was accidentally created that would actually be alright.
Bingo, that would be 40K, but in GAoT they would have allowed for this, and had a pregrided system (think ‘New York’ style).
The Hive still comes about ‘organically’ it just very regulated under the STC.