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Tryphon
Jun 14, 2004 7:09:30 GMT -5
Post by Sojourner on Jun 14, 2004 7:09:30 GMT -5
By the way, CELS, do you have any objection to a minor incidence of chaotic influence for the purposes of a piece of short fiction? Rest assured I won't let it grow out of control...
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Jun 14, 2004 9:31:02 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Jun 14, 2004 9:31:02 GMT -5
Although this is CELS' world, for the most part (! ), I would personally see no reason against it... Worlds such as Tryphon would, in my mind, be perfect places to find dens of chaotic activity... Kage
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Jun 15, 2004 14:15:25 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Jun 15, 2004 14:15:25 GMT -5
Plasma reactors... Yeah, I guess Tryphon does have the technology to produce plasma reactors, but it just seems to me that the Adeptus Mechanicus typically makes better plasma reactors than the rest of the Imperium. Besides, there is some specialization between worlds, so why bother developing the industry to construct plasma reactors on every world when you can just import from Proteus?
Day After Tomorrow... Well... Not quite that extreme. No continent-spanning hurricanes and vortexes that suck air from the stratosphere down to instantly freeze the fuel in vehicles' fuel tanks. But there will be very, very cold areas, I imagine. Do they have weather difficulties? Well, the planet has a very high tech level, so they're not completely at the mercy of mother nature. I think they're pretty well shielded from the cold, but the biggest blizzards and hurricanes might have critical consequences.
Social structure... Yeah, greek, roman... Why Tzarist Russia and 20's London though?
Steam locomotives... Yes. But only because it's cool. Can you help me figure out a reason why they wouldn't use trains with nuclear engines or something though?
Chaos cult... It's up for discussion, but I'm definitely enthusiastic about a minor incidence. Can you perhaps PM me with some sort of idea, if you want to keep it off the forums for now?
Population... With earth having about 6 billion people in year 2000, I don't think this world would be too crowded with 9 billion citizens. It's got more land mass than earth and is about the same size, I think. If I recall correctly, 9 billion is well within the limits of the 'civilized world' category, and far from a hive world.
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Jun 15, 2004 14:46:37 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Jun 15, 2004 14:46:37 GMT -5
I'm actually intrigued, now that I see it, about what Sojourner meant when he said "unique Imperial"... Plasma reactors... Yeah, I guess Tryphon does have the technology to produce plasma reactors, but it just seems to me that the Adeptus Mechanicus typically makes better plasma reactors than the rest of the Imperium. Besides, there is some specialization between worlds, so why bother developing the industry to construct plasma reactors on every world when you can just import from Proteus? I merely wanted to raise the possibility. I would say that Tryphon has the technological base to do this, but whether they do o not is up to them. However, I would also argue that as a general rule worlds will tend towards self-sufficiency than not... Steam locomotives... Yes. But only because it's cool. Can you help me figure out a reason why they wouldn't use trains with nuclear engines or something though? At this late - early? - hour, nothing springs to mind. Indeed, there seems to be more reasons why they should not use them... I suppose the only other thing is the GW "Rule of Cool". If you think it's cool then you can include it... but I would personally prefer that some significant justification was used to determine why the major rail transportation was steam engines... ...I don't think this world would be too crowded with 9 billion citizens.... Why is it that I had 19 billion in my head? Ah well... I'll put it down to insanity. Out of interest where does all their food come from given the general environment?
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Jun 15, 2004 15:49:02 GMT -5
Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 15, 2004 15:49:02 GMT -5
Steam Engines.... And of course the "AdMech is a bunch of stingy old fools" excuse wouldn't work for the steam engines, I suppose. Maybe a cultural taboo (eg, in LE Modesitt's Magic of Recluse world, order mages did not like steam because it was inherently chaotic, and only harnessed it with the help of "ordered steel") or a unique property of the world (eg, in Souls in the Great Machine, ancient orbital satellites would fry anything that tried to use electricity; the "magical fields" of some places are said to make things behave eratically, thus negating physical laws)? If they're that high TL, I don't see why they'd even nuclear engines...maglev/gravitic, probably powered by a nuclear power station, but a nuclear engine?
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Tryphon
Jun 15, 2004 21:55:39 GMT -5
Post by Sojourner on Jun 15, 2004 21:55:39 GMT -5
Nuclear trains! even better!
I'm assuming old-fashioned U-235 steam reactors here...
With the imagery - It was pretty much a very poor way of articulating what I was thinking, which didn't make a lot of sense. Now I think about it, it's not like either of them at all.
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Tryphon
Jun 16, 2004 3:26:32 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Jun 16, 2004 3:26:32 GMT -5
Wohoo! Three whole people discussing my world, not counting myself ;D I'm actually intrigued, now that I see it, about what Sojourner meant when he said "unique Imperial"... Great, now everyone knows what's cool about my planet, except me Every world is a castle? (note smiley) I agree though. Yes, indeed. Especially in colder regions, where you need as much power as possible to plow through the snow and ice. Insanity it is Food.. interesting question! I guess a lot of the temperate regions will need to be used for agri-culture though, reducing the areas of untouched land that I had pictured. Still, I want this planet to have lumber as a major export, to justify the large forests. But food... I'm sick of worlds that grow soya beans under artificial lights, so I'm going to say that most of the fruit and vegetables are grown in the temperate regions, and there are animals all over, including the very cold regions. I wonder if grox can survive in sub-zero temperatures.... what do you think? They're supposed to be tough bastards... Steam Engines.... And of course the "AdMech is a bunch of stingy old fools" excuse wouldn't work for the steam engines, I suppose. Maybe a cultural taboo (eg, in LE Modesitt's Magic of Recluse world, order mages did not like steam because it was inherently chaotic, and only harnessed it with the help of "ordered steel") or a unique property of the world (eg, in Souls in the Great Machine, ancient orbital satellites would fry anything that tried to use electricity; the "magical fields" of some places are said to make things behave eratically, thus negating physical laws)? If they're that high TL, I don't see why they'd even nuclear engines...maglev/gravitic, probably powered by a nuclear power station, but a nuclear engine? That the AdMech is stingy wouldn't work, no, since A) They're not, and B) The AdMech does not dominate this planet and its technology in any way. The idea of "magical fields" preventing anything except steam technology to be used is a fantastically cool idea, but it's not right for this planet. I will be stealing it for my world Sistina though, in the Archaios sub. Thanks, DesertGhostExarch Maglev... I don't want maglev tech to be a common sight across the Imperium. This reminds me a lot of Abnett's novels, where every farmer and his uncle has a landspeeder or two, and the cities crawl with all kinds hovering vehicles. That's just too Star Wars for my taste. Maglev is something I expect to see on a forgeworld, or in the richest and most important regions of capitals, industrial worlds, etc. Why nuclear engines? Well, power armour uses a sub-nuclear reactor, or something. I figure that in 40k, they've managed to construct smaller nuclear reactors than we've got today, to be used in trains, aircraft, or even personal armour. Nuclear trains! even better! I'm assuming old-fashioned U-235 steam reactors here... I don't know what those are or how they work. Would you care to explain?
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Jun 16, 2004 3:30:02 GMT -5
Post by Sojourner on Jun 16, 2004 3:30:02 GMT -5
As in the traditional nuclear fission reactor?
Heat generated by decaying Uranium-235 heats water for steam...
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Jun 16, 2004 12:33:03 GMT -5
Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 16, 2004 12:33:03 GMT -5
That the AdMech is stingy wouldn't work, no, since A) They're not So when's the last time you saw the Legio Cybernetica marching in review eh? Even in the "you need us to keep things working" sense? Well, since it looks like it's dominated by the Ecclesiarchy, I guess a certain down-to-earth feel would be necessary.... Well that wasn't exactly what I was saying; it was more along the lines of Discworld's famous magical field, in which light can be slowed to the speed of sound and other worlds where electricity behaves more erratically because of its elemental nature and becomes unuseful for computers and logic pathways (because magic is inherently illogical and, while some metals are "thaumic conductors," it's still magic), etc. Thus a suspension of (scientifically recognized) natural laws of a sort occurs, stretching plausibility and hammering in the "rule of cool" with things that circumvent the obstruction (eg, the ordered steel of Recluse or an obsessive overuse of clockwork). Well that's not a problem. I was just concerned with the idea of nuclear engines; power was my main concern, and I was thinking power stations rather than engines was more believable, since power stations are probably more defendable than the trains themselves and would thus be a good infrastructure plan or somesuch nonsense. Well, on worlds where wheels are heretical (yes, they exist...wonderful place, the Imperium), they use antigrav carts even, iirc, and the world I recall this being on was pretty poor. I believe that's a bit of fluff from either Deathwing or one of the Inquisition War trilogy; but even then, that was from another era in 40k fluff history where anti-grav was extremely popular (anti-grav bike models come to mind, as does the Imperial Guard on landspeeder model), so I guess it really didn't count as an exemplar of the Imperium's access to such technology in general even in its own time. However, methinks simple magnetic levitation would be more common than "true" anti-gravity, which seems to be the underlying concept of speeders and "hover" vehicles. All the same, you're right; it would only be on fairly high-tech, important places, or thrown into the works as some sort of background flavor (good old DAoT cop-outs). If you wish it, so it shall be I suppose.
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Tryphon
Jun 16, 2004 21:56:33 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Jun 16, 2004 21:56:33 GMT -5
So when's the last time you saw the Legio Cybernetica marching in review eh? *grin* I did see the Legio Titanicus marching in review in Malleus by Dan Abnett though Well, the most high tech equipment needs to be operated by the Adeptus Mechanicus, but it's not like you'll see Tech Priests driving the buss, fixing holograms and building refrigerators. The citizens of Tryphon will do that, and leave the AM to do stuff like working on plasma reactors. If we want a down-to-earth feel, then going back to steam technology is going to have great ramifications, and I think it's a bit silly for a world to handicap itself completely (by moving away from high tech) just because they have a down-to-earth view. I know ;D I just couldn't be bothered explaining it all, in case you hadn't been following the Sistina thread in the Archaios forum. The world Sistina has a thick atmosphere with two ionospheres (or something. Destecado knows the technical stuff) that absorb much of the deadly radiation from the sun. At higher altitudes, radiation tends to fry electrical circuits, and machines working up a static charge are hit by 'dry lightning' from the charged particles in the atmosphere. Ok, so it's not exactly what you meant, but I liked the idea of people in higher altitudes using a lot of steam technology because electricity is so unreliable and dangerous. I'm not thinking nuclear reactors like on modern hangar ships or anything. Astartes Power armour uses small nuclear reactors for power, IIRC, and I figured these trains might use the same, without risking a Tzchernobyl (sp?) everytime one crashes. Exactly ;D Yes, I agree 100%! It's really not a great leap of faith. Astartes power armour uses nuclear reactors, so why can't bigger things like cars and trains? The problem is generally applying high technology to smaller pieces of equipment, not bigger
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Tryphon
Jun 19, 2004 5:58:55 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Jun 19, 2004 5:58:55 GMT -5
Updates to the Tryphon SR. (Note: I've only included the updates, not the stuff that is unchanged since I last posted) Aquina20/21/14. M1V Aquina IC8459AE-8 S Hi 903 IM 48M Planet: Aquina I (Tryphon) World Class: Civilised world Population: 9,280,000,000 Tech Level: C Tithe Grade: Exactis Tertius Aestimare: C5 Orbital Distance: 0.2 AU Equatorial Diameter: 13,100 km. Gravity: 0.92 g Orbital period: 48 days Length of day: 19.3 hours Atmosphere: Thin, High Oxygen Surface atmospheric pressure: 0.6 Surface temperature: 22.2 degrees celsius Hydrosphere: 54% Life forms: Native complex microscopic life. Terraforming in temperate regions. Satellites: 0 Planet DescriptionThe civilized world Tryphon is the youngest world in the Anargo subsector, and is governed by an Ecclessiarchy priesthood. Because of the planet’s thin atmosphere, temperature changes are great, from uncomfortably hot summers to lethally cold winters. Near the equator, the gothic Tryphonian cities are surrounded by thick forests with some of the older buildings hugged by thick flower bearing ivy, creating a strange contrast between the sinister Imperial architecture and the lovely terran flora. Come winter, these regions will be covered by thick layers of snow, the once teeming cities now unrecognizable in the winter cold. Near the poles of Tryphon, the scenery is quite different. Temperature changes are even greater here, and over thousands and thousands of years, glaciers have cut deep into the lands, forming great fjords and tall mountain ranges. Because of the extreme temperatures in this region, avalanches and other natural catastrophes are common. During winters, the lands are so cold that most cities go into a form of hibernation, with no citizens allowed to venture outside without special permission. In contrast to the beautiful cities around the equator, the cities near the poles bear the look of necropolises, their streets largely empty as the citizens avoid the freezing snow storms outside All Tryphonian cities are filled with glorious Terran architecture, gigantic gothic buildings with menacing gargoyles and the judging faces of saints looking down at the pedestrians far below. Though most of the tourists on the planet are pilgrims, stopping by to visit the planet’s many cathedrals and important shrines, a great deal actually visit to witness the proud and pure Terran architecture that is uncommon so far from the Segmentum Solar. ReligionThe Priesthood of Tryphon was originally founded by the Cardinal of Dorvastor, several millennia ago. Since its founding, the Priesthood has enjoyed close relations to the Adeptus Ministorum on Dorvastor, and as a result, Tryphon’s religious traditions are nigh identical to those of Dorvastor. Following the beliefs and teachings of the ancient Cult Imperialis, Tryphon is fairly conservative in terms of creed, careful to deviate too much from the standard of the Ecclessiarchy. The Cult Imperialis dictates a strong sense of hierarchy and structure within humanity. Everybody has a place and function to fulfil in the great scheme and they must be content to perform that function to the best of their ability. This is very evident in the Tryphonian culture, and most of all its form of government. Imperial sects are rare on Tryphon, as the Priesthood remain vigilant in rooting out all kinds heresy. Still, some major sects lurk under the surface, from the most heretical Resurrectionists to the feared Daughters of Uriel death cult. Language and DialectAll the citizens of Tryphon have Low Gothic as their native tongue, and any citizen with more than a basic education is fluent in High Gothic as well. The Tryphonian dialect is typically barely noticeable, but is typically described as more 'sharp' and having a slightly different tone than standard Gothic. Aquina IIGas Giant (Large) UWP: XC00000-0 - 1: YR00000-0 (Asteroid)
- 2: YR00000-0 (Asteroid)
- 6: Y440500-8 (Small, thin, tainted atmosphere, no water)
- 8: G568710-8 (Dominic. Medium, standard atmosphere, 80% water, tens millions citizens.)
- 9: G454562-8 (Ambrose. Small, thin atmosphere, 40% water, hundreds of thousands citizens.)
- 11: G555500-8 (Jerome. Medium, thin atmosphere, 50% water, hundreds of thousands citizens)
- 25: Y334400-8 (Small, very thin atmosphere, 40% water)
- 40: HS00700-9 (Very small, no atmosphere, no water)
Planet: Aquina II (Paulus) World Class: Gas Giant Population: 23,900,000. Aestimare: D95 The large gas giant Paulus is a brown giant, a huge ball of gas barely failing to become a star. With a central temperature of over two million degrees, Paulus is actually hot enough to give some of its satellites a rather temperate surface. Of these, the satellite Dominic is close to having a terran climate. Renowned for its beauty, this small agri-world is a popular destination for wealthy tourists in the Anargo subsector. Paulus is orbited by two other populated satellites, namely Ambrose and Jerome, whose main commodity is shipping. Aquina IIIGas Giant (Small) UWP: XB00000-0 - 7: GS00130-9 (Very small, no atmosphere, no water)
- 9: F350600-8 (Small, thin atmosphere, no water)
- 30: Y201300-8 (Very small, no atmosphere, 10% water)
- 40: H698330-8 (Medium, dense, tainted atmosphere, 80% water)
- 55: Y460000-0 (Small, standard atmosphere, no water)
Planet: Aquina III (Mikael) World Class: Gas Giant Population: 8,000. Aestimare: D320 The gas giant Mikael is an important source of valuable gases in the Aquina system, and there is steady traffic between this gas giant and the close civilized world Tryphon. Mikael is orbited by several satellites, one of which has a small, abandoned listening post, rebuilt as a gas refinery and refueling station for incoming ships. The crew of this satellite, Irene, are rumoured to suffer from in-breeding due to their long isolation, which could explain their rather peculiar nature. Indeed, ‘Irenian’ is considered a word of abuse on Tryphon. Aquina IVGas Giant (Small) UWP: XB00000-0 Planet: Aquina IV (Joakim) World Class: Gas Giant Population: 0. Aestimare: K600 Lying too far from Tryphon for gas extraction to be profitable, the small gas giant Joakim has little value. To the knowledge of the Imperial experts, Joakim contains no valuable gases that cannot also be found on Mikael as well. Joakim has no satellites in orbit.
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Tryphon
Jun 19, 2004 13:27:45 GMT -5
Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 19, 2004 13:27:45 GMT -5
It's really not a great leap of faith. Astartes power armour uses nuclear reactors, so why can't bigger things like cars and trains? The problem is generally applying high technology to smaller pieces of equipment, not bigger As I said, it was more an infrastructure thing (not to mention "don't wiz on the third rail!" type fun). I don't think it's a problem, I just think that centralized power generation would be more believable on an Imperial world. It wasn't an issue of perceived size or the economics thereof.
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Tryphon
Jun 27, 2004 11:18:15 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Jun 27, 2004 11:18:15 GMT -5
50,23,41 - M-V - D79A788-9 Ag Wa 604 Im 251 I don't believe that I didn't notice this earlier. I was going to accept this world before I noticed that it is nowhere near the Anargo subsector. Nor does the physical section of the UWP look like any in the Anargo subsector... CELS... Wha?
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Tryphon
Jun 27, 2004 12:49:49 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Jun 27, 2004 12:49:49 GMT -5
Just to clarify; the coordinates and UWP posted in the first SR of this thread are wrong. Just some copy-paste malfunction. This has been fixed in the recent updates however.
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Tryphon
Jun 27, 2004 13:03:51 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Jun 27, 2004 13:03:51 GMT -5
Oh yes, and what about the proto-sentient alien race that was meant to be here, out of interest?
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