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Post by CELS on Dec 23, 2003 12:21:11 GMT -5
I'll make this quick and to the point, since I already wrote a ****load and everything got eaten by Explorer/ the forum/ whatever.
To be frank, my faith in this project has dwindled as quickly as the rate of Project posts on Portent. Yes, 3000 posts in a few months, but how many of these were made the last few weeks? 30?
I totally agree with what Kage wrote in the ASP thread on Portent, it is better with a group of core members than a huge group of bystanders. And that is what I feel we have now, gentlemen. How many people have shown interest in the project? I think something like 20-30 in the last month. How many of these have actually contributed?
What I really want to see, is a list (written by Kage or whomever) of Members that actually contribute to the project. Not a big deal, I just want to see who's in. So you think we've got a cool project and want to create your own system? Whoop-dee-doo. If you want to be counted as a Member in my book, you have to really be a part of the project. What I want to see, is members that not only do work for the project (and within the guidelines and interests of the project), but people who are concerned with what's going on outside their own system/world/whatever. A lot of people count themselves as members of this project, I think, but not half of these have contributed to the discussion about the Anargo Navy, the Inquisition, the Merchant Fleet, the alien races, and so on. Not a third of these have posted in the artwork thread, where our artists (and Juddski deserves a special mention) have posted 50-100 different paintings and drawings.
I'm not saying everyone should go around complimenting eachother, and I don't want a pat on the back everytime I make a post, but this Project is going to fall to poo if people can't be bothered helping eachother. If you want to be counted as a Member in my book, then you have to sacrifice some time to comment on other contributions. Help new members, take a look at how the fleet's coming along, what the artists are drawing (does it look right, are they drawing stuff that we need?), etc
If I'm to renew my faith in this project, I need to know that there will be other people that are interested in working on this.
In conclusion; I think we should really take a look at who's in and who's... "kinda in"
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Post by Sojourner on Dec 23, 2003 13:06:43 GMT -5
*spams thread* Being the fourth ever member must count for something, right? Anyway, I'd be happy to take part in any extended concept discussions if the opportunity arose, but strangely enough my presence has been more or less ignored by pretty much all the 'senior' members.
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Post by CELS on Dec 23, 2003 13:24:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm sorry if you feel this way, but if it helps - you're far from the only one to feel this way. And I'm sure the "senior members" are going to remedy this, if this project is to continue. This is indeed one of the things I was talking about in my previous post, actually. Also, since you are the fourth member to ever join the project ( ), you are more than welcome to offer your thoughts on the fate of the project and join the discussion on our members
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 23, 2003 21:04:51 GMT -5
I'll make this quick and to the point, since I already wrote a ****load and everything got eaten by Explorer/ the forum/ whatever. I have that probem with Portent all the time and find that I actually write many of my posts in Notepad and then just copy and paste in. Saves much hassle... I would be surprised if it is this forum, however, but - heck! - all computers tend to be wigged out by one type of web-page or other. To be frank, my faith in this project has dwindled as quickly as the rate of Project posts on Portent. Yes, 3000 posts in a few months, but how many of these were made the last few weeks? 30? Aah... On my part my postal rate dropped merely because of the fact that complaints had been levvied against the project in Portent 40k Background for 'inappropriate posting' which 'dominated' the forum and which was primarily composed of spamming. I reduced my own postal rate while I heard back from the Mods (who were going to the Admins) to see whether a separate forum was to be created... I have the sneaky suspicion that in the interim that the drop in postal rate meant that the 'problem' could be conveniently side-tracked. Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but when the post-rate dropped the problem kind of went away and therefore didn't need to be dealt with... Thus I set up this new forum so that we could progress with the project without having to conform to what people thought was appropriate in that forum... I totally agree with what Kage wrote in the ASP thread on Portent, it is better with a group of core members than a huge group of bystanders. Agreed. A number of contributors seemed to chip in every now and again with something that was ultimately disruptive. That's kind of a shallow thing to say since the ASP is an act of interpretation itself, but when the contribution was made to be argumentative... Ah well. And that is what I feel we have now, gentlemen. How many people have shown interest in the project? I think something like 20-30 in the last month. How many of these have actually contributed? And it's surprising the number that I deal with in my PM box, as well... What I really want to see, is a list (written by Kage or whomever) of Members that actually contribute to the project. Not a big deal, I just want to see who's in. A reasonable enough request and also entirely possible... For someone who has a cinematic bent, it also has the feeling of a list of credits! Of course, in terms of project management on the 'Net it also becomes a bit of a wish list... But I shall start a thread up in News detailing this information if and when it becomes available, and when it may or may not change... Not a third of these have posted in the artwork thread, where our artists (and Juddski deserves a special mention) have posted 50-100 different paintings and drawings. This is a part of the reason that prompted me to start the new forum. With everything up front I felt that cross-project contribution would be more likely. If I'm to renew my faith in this project, I need to know that there will be other people that are interested in working on this. That's the trouble with faith... it requires effort every now and again, even when you think that it has gone. AF-Metallus... I'll mention you here given your last comment! ;D (And I'm somewhat embarassed to say that I cannot quite remember what you have contributed thus far... Erm... I have a sneaky recollection of disagreeing with you, but for the life of me... Ah well. I'm sure that will be more than made up with in an area with a reduced number of spamming just to get 'in'...) Kage
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Post by ZoomDog on Dec 24, 2003 0:45:54 GMT -5
*Pats CELS on the back for making a post* I apologise for my lack on posting in the Project lately, but like Kage I was waiting to see what was going to happen. Also, for a couple of weeks I had no time to do anything other then study and assignments, and have found it hard to get the ASP motivation back. With the new forum, however, I believe that it will return.
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Post by CELS on Dec 24, 2003 8:21:31 GMT -5
I have that probem with Portent all the time and find that I actually write many of my posts in Notepad and then just copy and paste in. Saves much hassle... I would be surprised if it is this forum, however, but - heck! - all computers tend to be wigged out by one type of web-page or other. I'm afraid that I don't have the patience for precautions like that, so parden my pregnant doging over selfinflicted mishappenings Aah... On my part my postal rate dropped merely because of the fact that complaints had been levvied against the project in Portent 40k Background for 'inappropriate posting' which 'dominated' the forum and which was primarily composed of spamming. I reduced my own postal rate while I heard back from the Mods (who were going to the Admins) to see whether a separate forum was to be created... Well, I'm glad to hear that. Perhaps there is hope after all And it's surprising the number that I deal with in my PM box, as well... I hope you've taken the time to write a standard welcome message by now Of course, in terms of project management on the 'Net it also becomes a bit of a wish list... But I shall start a thread up in News detailing this information if and when it becomes available, and when it may or may not change... If you don't have time to deal with this, why not have someone else do it? Perhaps ZoomDog, the Voice of Kage? I would also be willing to try, of course. As selfproclaimed welcoming committee, it wouldn't be much extra work to keep track of how many members are around. AF-Metallus... I'll mention you here given your last comment! ;D (And I'm somewhat embarassed to say that I cannot quite remember what you have contributed thus far... Erm... I have a sneaky recollection of disagreeing with you, but for the life of me... Ah well. LoL! *Pats CELS on the back for making a post* *mutters* I apologise for my lack on posting in the Project lately, but like Kage I was waiting to see what was going to happen. Also, for a couple of weeks I had no time to do anything other then study and assignments, and have found it hard to get the ASP motivation back. With the new forum, however, I believe that it will return. Though I can't quite grasp the logic of our two leaders and master minds just waiting to see what happens, I am thrilled to hear about all this new faith and motivation
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 24, 2003 14:44:36 GMT -5
Though I can't quite grasp the logic of our two leaders and master minds just waiting to see what happens, I am thrilled to hear about all this new faith and motivation LMAO... You will find that I was trying to find out what was happening, not sitting around waiting to see what happens. That and you would be amazed at how much of my time is spent reading around general concepts, trying to figure out some of the bigger questions and their subsequent consequences... <sigh> Well, that and being a secretary. Takes the fun out of world-building... Well that and I can rarely be bothered to add the 'wargame touches' that many have thus far done due to a completely disinterest in that side of things. Well, campaigns are interesting but not the wargame... kind of a strange paradox there. Right, back to ED/SR and trying to motivate myself to complete the world building example for Anargo... Kage
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Post by zholud on Dec 24, 2003 15:20:02 GMT -5
In conclusion; I think we should really take a look at who's in and who's... "kinda in" I am in and hoping that right now I’ll be able to contribute to the larger picture… I haven’t written on some ASP threads just because I haven’t read them fully, and I try to answer on real questions, not jump in in the middle… I even read Civil Wars thread once…
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Post by CELS on Dec 24, 2003 19:59:01 GMT -5
That and you would be amazed at how much of my time is spent reading around general concepts, trying to figure out some of the bigger questions and their subsequent consequences... <sigh> Well, that and being a secretary. Takes the fun out of world-building... Well, spending time figuring out bigger questions kinda goes with the territory, since you're da boss, but... what do you mean by being a secretary? Perhaps us henchmen can help out with that. Well that and I can rarely be bothered to add the 'wargame touches' that many have thus far done due to a completely disinterest in that side of things. Well, campaigns are interesting but not the wargame... kind of a strange paradox there. Heh, I guess, but wargame touches aren't really a neccesity, that's just the bonus (for 40k players anyway). I am in and hoping that right now I’ll be able to contribute to the larger picture… I haven’t written on some ASP threads just because I haven’t read them fully, and I try to answer on real questions, not jump in in the middle… I even read Civil Wars thread once… I can appreciate that, but I'd like to think that I've made some useful comments to the project, even though I have only read my own thread (forgeworld) fully Anyway, with this new forum, a lot of problems seem to disappear. Which is good. PS: In case you were wondering, I didn't actually write "pregnant doging" above, but I guess the forum disapproved of me writing "future b_tching" and took action. Heheh, I love this forum.
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Post by Sikkukkut on Dec 26, 2003 4:13:05 GMT -5
Heh, on another forum I'm on (a movie review site whose owner is not noted for the subtlety of his opinions of performers) the board software replaces any instance of the four-letter C-word with "Melanie Griffith". It's always fun watching newbies find that out for the first time.
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Post by Rogue Trader on Dec 27, 2003 13:19:54 GMT -5
Hi there it's Rogue Trader! ;D Just wanted to let you know that I'm still in the project and will soon have some more artwork posted.
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Post by CELS on Dec 27, 2003 15:23:47 GMT -5
Nice to hear that, Rogue Trader. Your work has been missed. Do you think you'll have time to organise the other artists too, and perhaps nudge them over in this direction? They all seem to have been lost in the change of forums. A shame that you didn't have so much time before, because the artists needed leadership perhaps most of all! Think you have time for that now? PS: Kage, the questions in my post above remain unanswered. Get your thumb out
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 15:56:38 GMT -5
PS: Kage, the questions in my post above remain unanswered. Get your thumb out From what I can gather... Being a secretary... Having to produce items such as the example document! It takes up a bit more of my time then I want, and that is time that is rather precious at the moment. Is there anything that you can do? Not at the moment. It's just a case of getting to a certain point in the project. Wargame touchers... For me they are kind of necessary since this is meant to be a project which uniquely touches on both wargame and RPG aspects. In short, personally speaking I have enough trouble trying to produce information on the capital world let alone the entire sector... Just need to be better with time management, I guess. Kage
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Dec 28, 2003 9:02:41 GMT -5
I'm still in, although mostly on the techie side of things (well, the Website/Flash stuff).
I haven't contributed much recently because I've been somewhat busy, and partly because I was waiting to see what was happening with regards to the website.
Perhaps a chatroom or an Irc channel would be useful to discuss stuff?
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2003 9:13:18 GMT -5
Perhaps a chatroom or an Irc channel would be useful to discuss stuff? Glad to hear that you're still around, Zark... As to the chatroom? It would make things a bit more immediate and quick, admittedly, but the measured pace of the forum works at the moment... That of course does not stop members talking over IRC, ICQ, MSN or any of the numerous chat boxes. Hmmn, but then again I don't know how hard it is to start a chat room up and, now that I think about it, it could be a useful way of creating another little 'community'... Kage
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