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Nebula
Mar 25, 2004 1:10:27 GMT -5
Post by KeirLeslie on Mar 25, 2004 1:10:27 GMT -5
This is my idea for the nebula @ 49,25,40
49,25,40 - Centre of a Small Nebula (6 parsecs in diameter)
The Hall of Martyrs This nebula is of great religous signifigance for the sectors Sisters of Battle and the Adeptus Ministorum as it is reputed to be the resting ground of martyrs, those who have died for the divine God-Emperor of mankind. The tale of the Hall of Martyrs goes like so: On the Shrineworld of Dorvastor where the God-Emperor smote the enemies of mankind many of the Imperial Army who fought alongside him gave their lives to advance the Great Crusade. After Dorvastor was liberated he spoke to the assembled army in the Grand Hall. He stood, cleared his throat and began to speak, "I see you all here and although you consider yourselves lucky to be in this hall, for the battles have been bloody and many who landed are not here, I consider you the unlucky. Why I hear you ask? For whilst you are here in my Light, you are here in this Hall for but the briefest of times yet those who gave their lives for me feast forever. Look, above you men of this young Imperium, look through the windows and seethe stars, look amongst those stars and see the gleaming nebula. Look there and look upon the glorious souls of the martyr feasting forever in the most beautiful light of My glory. Look upon the Hall of the Martyrs and know that they are the luckiest of all." The Hall erupted in rapturous applause and legend says a star winked into existence casting a glow over the hall.
The Adeptus Minustorum hold this nebula holy as do the local Preceptory of Sisters of Battle who have a ?ship? in the vicinity at all times and have been known to attack ships that venture too near.
There are rumours that there are dark secrets in this nebula yet none can get close enough to prove or disprove this. Any idea what these could be? Maybe alien bases, say Unibian trading ships slipping in and out?
So what do people think? Brilliant, boring or what?
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Nebula
Mar 25, 2004 4:28:38 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Mar 25, 2004 4:28:38 GMT -5
Well... a few thoughts I have about the Nebula... 1. I don't think the Ministorum would believe that dead martyrs go to this nebula. They're too well-educated for that, and I've never heard of any legends like this in the Ministorum. 2. I don't think we should quote the Emperor. I've never seen him quoted before. Perhaps let one of the Emperor's lieutenants or his Custodes Master say it? 3. The Emperor did not consider himself a god, so I don't think he would be arrogant enough to say that his soldiers gave their lives for him. Rather, they died for the glory of mankind. 4. Why can't anyone get close to find out about the dark secrets? And what are these dark secrets? If you don't really have any idea what they might be, I suggest you drop this bit. The sector has plenty of darkness and mystery elsewhere
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Nebula
Mar 26, 2004 2:10:24 GMT -5
Post by KeirLeslie on Mar 26, 2004 2:10:24 GMT -5
1. I don't think the Ministorum would believe that dead martyrs go to this nebula. They're too well-educated for that, and I've never heard of any legends like this in the Ministorum. They don't exactly, its an allegory for the glory of the soul who gave himself for the God-Emperor. 2. I don't think we should quote the Emperor. I've never seen him quoted before. Perhaps let one of the Emperor's lieutenants or his Custodes Master say it? I'll change it to a folkloric type of thing, putting words in his mouth. The legends were based on a mish-mash of local, pre-existing superstions and the Imperial cult. Say the Dorvastorians thought of it as the place good people went and this was then overtaken by the Imperial creed. 3. The Emperor did not consider himself a god, so I don't think he would be arrogant enough to say that his soldiers gave their lives for him. Rather, they died for the glory of mankind. See above. 4. Why can't anyone get close to find out about the dark secrets? And what are these dark secrets? If you don't really have any idea what they might be, I suggest you drop this bit. The sector has plenty of darkness and mystery elsewhere Right, fair enough. Bye bye dark secrets I'm not too hot on the SoB fluff so what Order would be most likely to have a 'cult' of the Martyr going? I can see that a 'shrine' to those who died for the God-Emperor would be big for them, their life expectancy not being the best.
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Nebula
Mar 26, 2004 6:01:27 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Mar 26, 2004 6:01:27 GMT -5
Overall an interesting concept which brings across the ultimately futility and pointlessness of the adeptus ministorum! (Sorry, I dislike institutionalised religions intensely.) But there is one thing that I must disagree with CELS on, if only partially. Every myth is seeded in reality, especially in the 40k universe. It might be interesting if something 'other' was present in the nebula in question... something which made it other than a cloud of gas which the loons in the adeptus ministorum feel is special. Kage
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Nebula
Mar 26, 2004 12:57:34 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Mar 26, 2004 12:57:34 GMT -5
That is cool by me, Kage, but 'dark secret' sounded a bit cliché to me, what with the cursed subsector and all and the other anomalies.. Stuff like the crystals in the Vortex system which interfere with communication is a phenomenon that is 'special', but it's not really a dark secret, for example. Maybe some of our science wizards (aka nerds ) can help out with some interesting possibilities, without resorting to chaos artifacts, daemons and ghosts..? They don't exactly, its an allegory for the glory of the soul who gave himself for the God-Emperor. Ah. Perhaps you should clarify that, for simple-minded people like myself I'll change it to a folkloric type of thing, putting words in his mouth. The legends were based on a mish-mash of local, pre-existing superstions and the Imperial cult. Say the Dorvastorians thought of it as the place good people went and this was then overtaken by the Imperial creed. Sounds grand! As long as we clarify that too... ;D I'm not too hot on the SoB fluff so what Order would be most likely to have a 'cult' of the Martyr going? I can see that a 'shrine' to those who died for the God-Emperor would be big for them, their life expectancy not being the best. Can't help with that, I'm afraid... Ooooh, Minister..?
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Nebula
Mar 26, 2004 17:48:59 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Mar 26, 2004 17:48:59 GMT -5
That is cool by me, Kage, but 'dark secret' sounded a bit cliché to me, what with the cursed subsector and all and the other anomalies.. Thankfully I made no reference to 'dark secret'... Kage
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Nebula
Apr 4, 2004 9:15:14 GMT -5
Post by KeirLeslie on Apr 4, 2004 9:15:14 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm a bit rushed and being in Scotland I've none of my notes. Maybe some of our science wizards (aka nerds ) can help out with some interesting possibilities, without resorting to chaos artifacts, daemons and ghosts..? Maybe a halluciogenic drug that seeps into ships leading to people having visions? Ah. Perhaps you should clarify that, for simple-minded people like myself The idea is that it's not meant to be taken literally, just as an allegory. So while none of them believe that there is a celestial feasting hall they all know there is a reward and this stands in for it. Like in Dante's Divine Comedy Purgatory is a mountain in the Southern Hemisphere, now I doubt many people took it it literalyy but it wasn't meant to be.
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Nebula
Apr 25, 2004 21:26:23 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Apr 25, 2004 21:26:23 GMT -5
Maybe a halluciogenic drug that seeps into ships leading to people having visions? That's not really going to work since spacecraft are meant to be sealed from space! Kage
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Nebula
May 21, 2004 3:45:04 GMT -5
Post by KeirLeslie on May 21, 2004 3:45:04 GMT -5
The nebula is venerated in part as a hold over from the pagan days of Dorvastor and is free of secrets. I think that the mundanity of this creates a example of the superstitious nature of the Imperium. This shows that it's not all weird stuff just people imaginations getting out of control.
The Convent is of the Order of the Celestial Rose, an Order Pronatus with strong ties to the Order of the Bloody Rose. They are mainly archivists, curators and writers of inspirational texts commemerating the deeds of St. Cariath and the God-Emperor. The Order maintains records of all the actions and Martyrdoms of Sisters in the Anargo Sector
They also mantain a small force, the Sisters Recuperatio dedicated to hunting down relics. It is armed with an array of holy weapons and armour leading to a wide variety in the Marks of the Power Armour. The Sisters Recuperatio are led by Cannoness Beatrice who flies into battle with the Seraphim on a pair of mechanical wings. They favour fast strikes to take objectives then quick retreats.
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Nebula
May 23, 2004 9:59:30 GMT -5
Post by Minister on May 23, 2004 9:59:30 GMT -5
Quite like this one, actualy. However, they may well be loathe to use holy relics in combat, fearing that they may become lost or damaged during the combat. Perhaps they favour the use of more mundane items, using their relics only in the times of greatest need?
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Nebula
May 23, 2004 16:32:02 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on May 23, 2004 16:32:02 GMT -5
Just for the record, I do like the idea of the nebula being associated with some powerful myth... But I've just become confused as to how this relates to the adepta sororitas! Kage
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Nebula
May 23, 2004 19:06:19 GMT -5
Post by DesertGhostExarch on May 23, 2004 19:06:19 GMT -5
"Leftovers" of the Old Ones/Ancients/"Emperor when he culled the unbelievers from the sector"? A sort of proto quasi-real dance of mass that was just an unfinished project that is slowly coming to fruition in some far-off time? A "nest" for stars (perhaps the Emperor "created" Dorvastor's sun or some holy artifact from its depths in the same way that the inhabitants of Fenris consider their sun to be the Eye of Russ)? And visions from hallucinogenic/mesmeric patterns ( ) in the nebula could be possible....I mean, remember how in Chaos Child, people believed they saw the face of the Emperor imprinted on a handcloth? It could be like that....
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Nebula
May 24, 2004 0:40:06 GMT -5
Post by KeirLeslie on May 24, 2004 0:40:06 GMT -5
To Minister: I'd imagine that by the time they were fighting in full Power Armour etc the situation would require it. The normal artefact retrival would be a hooded person asking round, burglaries at houses, that sort of thing. Also I'd be most grateful if you'd tell me more about St. Cariath and his exploits so that I can work them into the fluff of the Order of the Celestial Rose.
To Kage: The Sisters are in the Nebula because of its signifigance as a shrine to martyrs. They're not members of a Militant order and have no real obligations to be anywhere else.
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Nebula
May 24, 2004 6:04:24 GMT -5
Post by Minister on May 24, 2004 6:04:24 GMT -5
Slight problem with that Is that I havn't thought of anything, it's another case where I've made up the name without actualy putting any thought into it. ;D
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Nebula
Aug 22, 2004 6:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Aug 22, 2004 6:50:03 GMT -5
The Sisters are in the Nebula because of its signifigance as a shrine to martyrs. They're not members of a Militant order and have no real obligations to be anywhere else. It would be interesting to speculate - or, rather, calculate - which systems are within the encompass of the nebula and what effects this might have...
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