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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 10:03:43 GMT -5
From the 'Archive' thread the star and mainworld UWP statistics for the Academy are: 18/19/13 - K-V - C746300-6 Lo 414 IM 560 Basic Concept... As mentioned elsehwere, the basic idea is for a military academy for the training of 'officers' in the Anargo sector and beyond. It is also seen as a 'training world' for Guard regiments... The UWP statistics can be interpreted as this: LocationAt 18,19,13 the Academy is astrographically very close to the capital world of Anargo ( Anargo Primus Tertius, located at 19,19,14). StarA main-sequence orange star, these tend to be somewhat hotter than Terra. The mainworld is more than likely to be a hot 'jungle world', perhaps even a 'death world' under standard Imperial classification. (One must, however, remember that the star might be hotter than normal perhaps even forcing it to be a desert...) StarportClass C means that it has facilities for basic repairs but otherwise cannot produce its own vehicles. This is consistent with the 40k universe and also with the Anargo sector, since Anargo Secundus contains the main adeptus mechanicus spaceship production facilities in the sector. SizeAt size 7 the world is slightly smaller than Terra but is otherwise going to have a not-insignificant land-mass. AtmosphereA rating of 4 means that it is "Thin, Tainted". The nature of the taint has not yet been ascertained but might be interesting if it is biological, perhaps related to the flora if we are to go with the desert world imagery. The Thin atmosphere might be problematic as it might normally mean that visitors would be required to wear rebreathers. However, it could also be the equivalent of an entire planet dedicated to high-altitude training, which would be fine. HydrographicsThe smaller percentage of water on the planet compared to that of Terra (6 as opposed to 7) means that we're more than likely talking about a similar land-surface. This is also going to more than likely up the temperature, which might be a bad thing. PopulationA population of 3 means that it is in the 'Low thousands'. At present I am working on the principle that this will more than likely be due to the fact that it is the 'permanent' administrative and instructor section, rather than the transient Guard (etc.) trainees. This is on the mainworld, but might need to be upped depending on the aggregate population scattered throughout the system (calculated in Extended System Generation). Government and LawBoth receiving 0 codes. Since I'm currently working on the principle that the Imperial Commander is also going to the be the military commander of the Academy, it might be pertinent to change the Government and Law codes to anything from 9 to C for Government, and E to G for Law. Tech-LevelTechnology is going to be imposed in the Academy system, so this is relatively meaningless. This is taken to be an average level of 'survival operations', rather than to the imposed technology that will be a result of the nature of the Academy. Trade CodesLow population. At present this will be left alone since, ultimately, how the Academy fits into the economy of the subsector and sector will be up for future discussion (including whether any low-level trade, such as in demand goods for the 'troops') will be required. Population Multiplier, Belts, Gas Giants4, 1 and 4 respectively. A indigenous population of 4,000 (at the moment), with one planetary belt and 4 gas giants. Life ValueA rating of 5 means that only microscopic life naturally exists on the planet. Since this doesn't tie in with the 'death world' imagery I'm going to go with the fact that the majority of the flora and fauna is implanted. Furthermore, perhaps the microscopic life is the source of the atmosphere 'taint' previously mentioned...? Resource ValueA rating of 6 means that the system/planet is capable of mineral (etc.) export, but since it is a military academy this is deemed inappropriate. Perhaps there is some low-level mineral exploitation, but this is not going to be a core concept. Export ValueConsistent with the nature of the system, there is no dominant Export from the Academy. Other General Concepts... [/b] At the moment I'm working with the general guideline until someone comes along and wishes to alter things (ish... ). The mainworld is going to be the main administrative centre of the Academy, though given the nature of the world it is more than likely going to be based on an orbital platform. Ground facilities will be in the nature of temporary barracks, etc., as well as other facilities necessary for training. Through the system will be various 'facilities' for training in different environments, including fleet support. The Academy while offering a location for advanced or other environmental training for troops is primarily geared towards officer-training. The troop training is a by-product of this. Kage
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Post by zholud on Dec 27, 2003 15:08:05 GMT -5
AtmosphereA rating of 4 means that it is "Thin, Tainted". The nature of the taint has not yet been ascertained but might be interesting if it is biological, perhaps related to the flora if we are to go with the desert world imagery. The Thin atmosphere might be problematic as it might normally mean that visitors would be required to wear rebreathers. However, it could also be the equivalent of an entire planet dedicated to high-altitude training, which would be fine. Quick note: thin atmosphere is good for the Space Academy because it enables close to planet maneuvers, while preferred to no atmosphere world because it is cheaper to have air on the planet than imported.
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2003 15:40:12 GMT -5
Fair enough with regards to additional logic... ;D Kage
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Post by Raider on Feb 4, 2004 1:07:20 GMT -5
Hmm, possibly a branch of the Schola Progenium, although its' been done millions of times before.
Also, do you see this as a joint Departmento Munitionum, Imperial Navy operation or seperate ones on the same planet?
I like the idea of a tough planet (not nesscarily death world level, but certainly hostile) to toughen up the recruits.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 4, 2004 4:42:31 GMT -5
Hmm, possibly a branch of the Schola Progenium, although its' been done millions of times before. This raises a strong point which needs to be discussed here, i.e. the standardised (and flawed, for me) approach that the schola progenium is the main source of education in the Imperium. I would say not, but I think that's for an Imperium thread. Check out the relevant board. Also, do you see this as a joint Departmento Munitionum, Imperial Navy operation or seperate ones on the same planet? That's an interesting question, in its own way. The system has an Imperial Commander as 'governor', a position in which vertical transmission is achieved through local conditions (i.e. hereditary, autocratic vote, or whatever). As a military training facility, the Imperial Commander would be the ranking military officer, whether that is Guard or Fleet... Hang on, though. The question is the nature of the Academy itself. Worlds develop their own histories, so perhaps the Academy is a 'civilian' organisation which ultimately achieved paramilitary status through validation by the departmento munitorium of the adetpus mechanicus... In this model the Imperial Commander might be a hereditary position traditionally given some rank in the Imperial military, though with an advisory council based upon the various 'facets' of that Imperial military. The latter allows for a 'parasitic' Imperium interpretation, one that I personally favour... But just thought that I would offer it up for grabs. I like the idea of a tough planet (not nesscarily death world level, but certainly hostile) to toughen up the recruits. Yep, that was the general idea... any further thoughts on this? Kage
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Post by Raider on Feb 5, 2004 2:15:08 GMT -5
Well since this planet has such a low levels native life the Imperium might import some unpleasant organisms from out of system. This could be a nice little tie in with some other planets (a desert death world maybe?)
Continuing on this thread of thought, I can envision specially constructed areas for various parts of the training i.e. Survival, Evasion, Marksmanship, Wargames.
Three main Complexes. A Space one for IN training and general administration of the Academy. First Ground base is for IG Officer training. Generally three types of Officers come here...
-First and most common are those that have been picked out for future service on the General Staff. About 800 of these are at the Academy at any one time. -Second group is made up of Senior PDF officers (Majors, Lt Colonels) who are in line for promotion to General ranks. Approximately 250 are studying at any one time. -Third and rarest is Scions of infulential families that want to join the Guard. If they graduate from the Academy, they'll be commissioned in the next Regiment from their world to be founded as Senior Lieutenants or Captains. Perhaps 50 of these around.
Total number of Cadets: 1300 (I have no clue what scale you want, but I'd like to keep the proportions similar)
Importance of the Academy would largely depend on the opinion of the Lord General/Lord Admiral of Anargo. If the office holder despised the place when he went there, the number of Cadets drops severly. If he remembers his time fondly, it'll thrive.
The other ground base is for IG Regiments training there.
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Post by zholud on Feb 5, 2004 15:00:20 GMT -5
Continuing on this thread of thought, I can envision specially constructed areas for various parts of the training i.e. Survival, Evasion, Marksmanship, Wargames. I would say add some military related course for those who needs them even more, i.e. the officers. There should be logistics, rhetoric, history, PR... even methods of communication with directly and temporary less dangerous xenos who could be used as a meat shield. Remember, that usually military academy is for ones with power and leadership, not just Rambos...
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Post by Raider on Feb 5, 2004 15:35:51 GMT -5
@zholud, I was just listing the Areas of the Academy that would need specially created enviroments, not all the course parts (which would obviously include the ones you stated)
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 7, 2004 10:48:08 GMT -5
Well since this planet has such a low levels native life the Imperium might import some unpleasant organisms from out of system. This goes without question, depending on the nature of the 'mainworld' in question. Continuing on this thread of thought, I can envision specially constructed areas for various parts of the training i.e. Survival, Evasion, Marksmanship, Wargames. That makes sense. Remember also the concept discussed elsewhere that the Academy 'proper' was an orbital station or, perhaps, large and currently defunct class of Imperial spaceship... But playing around with the environment to create specific 'zones' for specific areas of training is definitely a possibility. Sort of a planetary version of the adeptus mechanicus spacecraft that is mentioned in the Kill Team... Three main Complexes. A Space one for IN training and general administration of the Academy. This would be the station/vessel, yes. The question of whether it is fixed around the mainworld is still up for grabs, although I seem to think that is the best option at present. First Ground base is for IG Officer training. Generally three types of Officers come here... [/b][/quote] Remembering that the world is going to be catering to both officer and 'grunt' training, though the latter has to be thought about carefully. First and most common are those that have been picked out for future service on the General Staff. About 800 of these are at the Academy at any one time.... The implication here is that the Academy primariliy involves itself with PDF. Do you not think that the Guard might have subsumed some of the function of the Academy? Third and rarest is Scions of infulential families that want to join the Guard. Good point of social integration. Acquiring the proper skills would be a good way of increasing the chance of social promotion since the members of the provincial nobility don't actually scale that much beyond plebs in terms of the Imperium as a whole. Perhaps in some regards this could be seen as another form of schola progenium, although one that is open to something other than the orphans of adepts...? If they graduate from the Academy, they'll be commissioned in the next Regiment from their world to be founded as Senior Lieutenants or Captains. Perhaps 50 of these around. Well, they would have to be a ranked part of the PDF first and foremost, surely. Then if they are part of the appropriate 'elite' sections then their ranks will carry forward, for the most part, into the Guard... But I would definitely not see them rising up beyond centurion/captain/senior lieutenant level since one has to remember that status is very important, as you yourself recognised. But I also see the difference between the provinces and the 'core' Imperial nobility... Total number of Cadets: 1300 (I have no clue what scale you want, but I'd like to keep the proportions similar) Officer cadets, yes. But there are also going to be something that they need to practice on... so the chances are that PDF regiments are sent to the Academy? The other ground base is for IG Regiments training there. The only problem here is that IG regiments seem to be Founded from worlds with specific 'abilities', thus keeping training down to a minimum. Shipping them to 'boot camp' might not make a whole lot of sense. Of course, that they might use them as advanced training is possible but would also require that the 'officers' in question also included those that were being developed for Guard status... Erm, I'm just rambling around in circles now... <sigh> Kage
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Post by Minister on Feb 10, 2004 14:11:52 GMT -5
The Anargo PDF could be sent to the academy on a semi-regular basis, as in-system transport is possible even on the kind of scale and regularity required, but I don't see troops from all over being trained here.
Would the Commander be a full Commander in his own right or subservient to the Anargo Primus government?
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Post by CELS on Feb 10, 2004 15:49:10 GMT -5
I would oppose a biological taint in the atmosphere, because it wouldn't make sense to make the world a training world in that case. Imagine a virus which kills one percent a year. "Well, the good news is that the Meksumian 5th are ready for battle. The bad news is that Colonel Kravitz and the entire Charlie company is dead from a flesh-eating virus. You win some, you lose some."
I suggest some other taint, and let the training armies wear rebreathers most of the time. Training to fight in high altitudes or on other worlds with thin atmospheres is good, but unless their stay on this world is only a short part of their training, they'll need some variation and more common training situations.
As for importing dangerous creatures, I agree that it would be very useful, to an extent. Hordes of groxes for target practice is very useful, since they would have a similar tactic as some ork armies (charging, basically) What is not as useful, is importing dangerous bugs, snakes and other potentially poisonous, pesky creatures. Teaching the soldiers to always be prepared is good, but letting many die each night from scorpions and snakes crawling into the tents... that's stupid. More than enough will die from such things when these people are sent to join the Guard, if they do join.
So who will be using this Academy? Lots of officer cadets from the Schola Progenium, I imagine, and from the Collegia Titanicum, and the Naval Academy. Imperial Guardsmen? If yes, then from where, and when? I've got the impression that upon their founding / joining a regiment, the Guardsmen are sent straight into war, as they're supposed to already have gone through military training. If PDF, then which PDF? Surely not from the entire sector! Just the Anargo subsector, or the Anargo system? I'm not sure about this. Mere PDF troopers seem too worthless to be transported across space to train on other worlds. Many of the planets in Anargo are likely to have millions of PDF troopers after all.
And I assume the Frost Wraiths might send a few scouts from time to time? Or maybe more? Reserve companies?
Anyone else? Skitarii? Sisters of Battle? Inqusistional Stormtroopers? Ordinati? ;D
As for specially constructed areas to train marksmanship, survival, special deployment, etc.... yes and no. Obviously there will have to be training camps and bases spread around the different areas of the planet, but I don't see huge regions being especially modified for marksmanship training. Some regions might have especially imported flora and fauna though, as mentioned above. But huge constructions the size of Texas... I don't think so. I'm not suggesting this is what anyone meant though. Just thought I'd speak my mind.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 10, 2004 16:57:01 GMT -5
And here's the crux of the matter... to what extent is the Academy integrated into the established protocols of the Imperial military and the adeptus terra? A difficult question... I would oppose a biological taint in the atmosphere, because it wouldn't make sense to make the world a training world in that case. Imagine a virus which kills one percent a year. A reasonable suggestion. This is where the dice rolls come in useful. See what you get and if it appeals then use it. If it doesn't, then don't! "Well, the good news is that the Meksumian 5th are ready for battle. The bad news is that Colonel Kravitz and the entire Charlie company is dead from a flesh-eating virus. You win some, you lose some." Yeah, but it's a funny image... I suggest some other taint, and let the training armies wear rebreathers most of the time. Training to fight in high altitudes or on other worlds with thin atmospheres is good, but unless their stay on this world is only a short part of their training, they'll need some variation and more common training situations. There is also the idea that the 'masks' that they wear could be altered to create different type of environments depending on how much breathable atmosphere they gave access to... So who will be using this Academy? Lots of officer cadets from the Schola Progenium, I imagine, and from the Collegia Titanicum, and the Naval Academy. Why are these people being brought in? Surely they have their only training facilities? Or maybe the Academy is more about integration, perhaps even broaching upon the heretical and the exclusion of the codex imperialis? Imperial Guardsmen? If yes, then from where, and when? I've got the impression that upon their founding / joining a regiment, the Guardsmen are sent straight into war, as they're supposed to already have gone through military training. I would agree and this is a problem with their Founding, although maybe not 'war' specifically. If PDF, then which PDF? Surely not from the entire sector! Just the Anargo subsector, or the Anargo system? Well, the obvious suggestion would be to restrict it to the Anargo subsector... But then it would behoove Anargo to offer it up to other subsectors. But that presupposes that it actually offers a function. And that is also something which seems, apparently, up for grabs. Mere PDF troopers seem too worthless to be transported across space to train on other worlds. Many of the planets in Anargo are likely to have millions of PDF troopers after all. I would suggest this: It depends upon which units you send. It is a question of status and support, perhaps. Obviously there will have to be training camps and bases spread around the different areas of the planet, but I don't see huge regions being especially modified for marksmanship training. Yes! Shape the people, not shape the environment... Shapign the enviornment is more a function of the adeptus mechanicus... Kage
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Post by zholud on Feb 11, 2004 14:39:14 GMT -5
Yes! Shape the people, not shape the environment... Shapign the enviornment is more a function of the adeptus mechanicus... I guess it crucially depends on shaping in question. If they plant a forest even with extraterrestrial life-forms or make some polygons with artificial mimicry of other conditions (I mean artificial ropes instead of lians, not virtual reality).
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Post by CELS on Feb 11, 2004 16:19:32 GMT -5
That's what I meant by 'imported flora and fauna'
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Post by Kage2020 on May 29, 2004 11:02:48 GMT -5
Just thought that I would bring this thread back since it would be interesting if someone could take up the creation of this world. I've been thinking about it more and more in relation to the Anargo standard representation (the first Commander was Albrecht Gaius, first Lord Anargo following the coup d'etat against the Anargan Theocracy and the subsequent pacification of Vandirian forces)... so it would be great to see someone take it up! <hopeful> Kage
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