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Post by Zholud on Dec 17, 2004 4:12:28 GMT -5
Done. Just for us who aren't exactly up to date when it comes to the discussion of all the different worlds in the sector... what are you not pleased with? I’d like to see more on Imperial authorities, on some tension between Administratum and company or Adeptus Mechanicus, Administratum and company. Also I little bit more on other stuff. And one minor note on last planet in system – if its atmosphere is frozen for the while year it does not have atmosphere. I guess within following month will be able to return to Proculus and make all that minor polishing
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Post by Dazo on Dec 17, 2004 5:02:05 GMT -5
Last planet now has no atmosphere, it is frozen all year.
There is no tension, its a very relaxed place, people obey the law, do a sthey are told and pay their taxes the administratum is a very happy bunny.
Glossary and time line added(all worlds). Extended system info re-formatted to how you wanted it, minus bullit points(all worlds), if you could put them in for me that would be great other than that i'm done
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Post by Zholud on Dec 17, 2004 10:10:54 GMT -5
Last planet now has no atmosphere, it is frozen all year. Quote from the last version, emphasis mine: The smallest, driest and coldest of the outer worlds, Khidre's size is comparable to Proculus. Unusually for a world so small, it has quite a substantial atmosphere. Unlike the three sisters however, its atmosphere is for all of Khidre's long year frozen out on the surface as ice. If it is frozen it cannot be substantial… There is no tension, its a very relaxed place, people obey the law, do a sthey are told and pay their taxes the administratum is a very happy bunny. I know… I just say what I would like to see, not what is to be done.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 17, 2004 10:32:58 GMT -5
I changed it to "it had quite a substantial atmosphere", I suppose I could change it to "The smallest, driest and coldest of the outer worlds, Khidre's size is comparable to Proculus. Unusually for a world so small, it managed to attract quite a substantial atmosphere. Unlike the three sisters however, its atmosphere is for all of Khidre's long year frozen out on the surface as ice"What do you think of that, any better Oh ok right. Don't worry zholud when I get round to the other worlds I plan on doing in Meksum there should be plenty of conflict and tension for you to sink your teeth into.
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Post by CELS on Dec 20, 2004 13:07:00 GMT -5
This world looks almost good to go, I think. You might want to contact Kage just in case, since he has made very few comments. Maybe he's overlooked your latest work in all his business, and if that is the case, there's the chance that there are some things you still need to change. So, instead of putting this in the archive, and then pulling it out again if Kage is unhappy, I'll wait for Kage to give the green light. The major pickle I have with this SR is the language. There are several sentences that I have problems with. Here goes... Under government; "Their role is to keep an eye on the operation and provide reports of production levels to their superiors, which in tern has a direct bearing on tithe levels". This should probably in turnUnder society and law; "This is a mining facility run by the Corporation". I recommend that you either change this sentence to include the name of the corporation, or remove it all together. Under technology; "The power for the colony is supplied by fusion reactors housed in the very core of the colony, these were installed by the company." This is two sentences merged into one. I recommend that you rephrase this part. Also under technology; "grav plates are not perfect and only increase the native gravity by perhaps sixty percent." I've commented on this before. SRs are written from an 'omniscient' point of view, so there's no reason to guess at how effective these grav plates are Trade and tithes; " Ice is also mined, it is purified into drinking water both for the inhabitants and for off world sale. Oxygen and hydrogen are also extracted from the water to make rocket fuel. It is also refined into deuterium for use in fusion reactors." See my point? History; "The history of Proculus is relatively short and uneventful, the world was first detected in early M31. Initial scans performed in late M31 showed that the world of Proculus had fewer resources than other worlds nearby, not to mention that other colonised systems in the subsector had many mineral-rich moons. The world was classified as dead and all but forgotten by the Imperium. " This paragraph needs to be restructured, like we talked about. Also, I wonder why you wrote that the history of Proculus is relatively short. It's several thousand years. I'd just call it uneventful You might also want to mention that the original Imperial scouts did not see the abundant mineral resources on this planet. "With the successful colonisation of Koralla, a extremely rich system"... Where is Koralla? "This was interesting and unusual but it would remain a mystery as to what or who had tampered with this world, It was mining expedition after all not a research one." Very conversational style, as Kage calls it. I suggest a rephrasing Why did some humans invest so incredibly much in terraforming this planet during the Age of Technology? Mankind has had the technology to do so, but the only example I can think of is Mars, and that was the most valuable human world in the galaxy for many millennia. On a positive note, the rest looks good, and I love the last sentence in the History section, even if it needs a comma
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Post by Dazo on Dec 20, 2004 14:19:24 GMT -5
I will do that Yes it should thanks I'll alter it to include the name. ok Your right, it also does not take into account the fact that they managed to upgrade it to 100% like crystal, i'll change the wording I'd call it pete, but hey your idea works to If thats ok then i'll say that then, just to be clear, scouts are not explorators are they, so they wouldn't have awsome scanners that could see a fly fart from 10 light years, yes Do you mean which sub sector or something more complicated. Ah um ... how do you mean, I mean I know what you mean, but i'm not sure which bit is the conversational bit Why do most most people do difficult and strange things, perhaps just to see if they could, I honestly hadn't thought about it that much, do I have to provide a reason for it so the world can be accepted or were you just curious Any chance of geeting the co-ordinates of that comma or should I just carpet bomb it and hope for the best is it where the full stop is.
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Post by CELS on Dec 20, 2004 14:36:26 GMT -5
Your right, it also does not take into account the fact that they managed to upgrade it to 100% Yep, I remembered that after replying LoL. No, scouts are not explorators. Scouts are the types that just fly around, occassionally peering out their window, and occassionaly stumbling across worlds like Tir'asur and getting blown to tiny pieces. At least that's my opinion I meant where is Koralla in your psyche, compared to its opposite position in the warp, if you take into account our new theories on alternate proto-dimensions. But which subsector also works "It was mining expedition after all not a research one" If you want me to be even more specific, it is the use of "after all" and "research one" that gets my goat LoL. Most people do difficult and strange things, I agree, but it's very rarely just to see if they can. Especially when it comes to things of this scale. After all, it would require a hell of a lot of resources to do all this, and I see little reward beyond the confirmation that they could do it (disregarding the idiot who spilled tea over the controls and ruined the whole project) *grin* Well, I do like to think things through. If part of the SR doesn't make sense, that kinda ruins the rest of it for me. It's like the old concept of an ancient orbital defence satellite system in the Anargo sector. If there is an ancient orbital defence satelite system around one of the Imperial worlds, dating back to the Age of Technology, there's got to be a reason why it's found in that star system and no other. If you don't state that reason, it starts to stink a little bit like GW's worst authors. LoL! I'd make it "Correspondingly, tithes were raised the next year."
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 6, 2005 23:34:37 GMT -5
The one thing that got me when I read through the Porculus SR was that, yet again, it was another 'peaches and light' world.
Once again I'm keen that you don't integrate the 'goods' section, rather waiting until Sojourner has been able to talk about the division of industry.
Oh yes, and I find the 'mystery structure' to be somewhat hokey. What are you intending with this?
Again, though, beyond that there is little to say. Post the rectified UWP and concept paragraph to zholud for integration into the subsector, if he believes that is appropriate. Once that is done we can hammer out the details in a consideration fo the sector as a whole.
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Post by Dazo on Jan 7, 2005 4:38:29 GMT -5
What can I say I don't write good parts for bad guys, even if its make believe I won't go over to the dark side sorry. Theres surely more than enough injustice, cruelty and evil in the imperium for there to be room for a little ray of sunshine yes/no. I want it to be that way, is it going to stand in the way of the world being accepted.
That wasn't so much for the economy side of things but for the fiction side of things, people would be able to look at the list and maybe use some of the said items in their storys to give them more, depth, thats not the word I was looking for but I can't think of what I mean. But I'll remove them if they are unwelcome
When I generated the world on H&E it turned out that their had been a lot of terra forming on proculus, but it was an icy air less little world so what was the reason. So I came up with the idea it had been colonised during the GAoT and had seen major technological inteference, it needed more gravity which would mean it could have a denser atmosphere which would mean it would be warmer and so on. This fell into ruin and the the world that was found by the imperium was just another icebound world. Where was I going, there and back to see how far it was, nowhere, I just thought it might be an interesting sideline. You don't like it though I can tell so i'll change it abit if you want.
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Post by Destecado on Jan 7, 2005 15:40:38 GMT -5
Sorry it took me so long to get around to posting. I’ve gone through all of the past discussion information as well as the SR. I hope the feedback is helpful.
The first couple of time I read this, I had trouble forming a completer picture of the world in my mind. Before looking at the map, I thought you were describing something like a water world covered in ice with a liquid ocean underneath (like the Jovian moon Europa). Looking at the map only intensified the incongruity. The description makes little reference to the existence of land masses or mountains. These features would help to break up the flow of winds or provide shelter on their leeward side…places where colonies could perhaps be established.
Tidal Stresses
You have stated that the tidal effect of the moons helps to keep the ocean underneath the ice liquid. Little has been said about what effects this has on the ice itself or on tectonic activity. The build up of pressure may at times cause the warm ocean beneath the ice to break through as a geyser on the surface. The water from the geyser could be thrown into the high atmosphere and quickly freeze falling back to the surface as snow.
It could be that the microbes you describe as being present are brought to the surface during the blows. They are deposited on the surface, crystallized within the ice. These geysers may also account for the high Albedo (measure of reflectivity of a surface or body) of the planet.
Climate & Winds
Based on the temperature values and the fact that the planet is highly reflective, you probably would not see the melting of large volumes of water necessary to form the lakes you make reference to.
Another factor that leads me to conclude that lakes of liquid water could not exist on the surface is the wind. Even if the temperature reads as a balmy 8 degrees C, with wind chill factored in, you could be talking of an actual temperature well below freezing. I also have to check, but I think that the atmospheric pressure might be too low to sustain liquid water on the surface. As the pressure decreases, the boiling point of a liquid also decreases. As the ice melts, it may convert to a liquid, and then almost immediately boil off into a gas. The liquid water underneath the ice can exist, because the pressure at this depth is much greater. Atomospheric Conditions
With such a thin atmosphere, you may also need to consider the effects of radiation. The inhabitants are probably going to need protection from radiation and have to wear pressure suits or live in pressurized habitats…You might see habitation moving underground as excavation continues. This would allow them to avoid the winds and the lower you go, the higher the atmospheric pressure becomes. It probably won’t approach earth normal, but at least the inhabitants could move around without the need for pressure suits.
It may help to identify the ore being smelted…is it suppose to be adamantite? What are the nutrients that the microbes are getting from the slag heaps? Is it just the warmth of the process that is causing them to thrive?
Further information about the city of Natanya might be useful, but in another section. The planetary description should be about the world itself or broken down into sections such as geography, atmosphere, climate, habitation, etc. A side bar explaining the development and use of the unpack and stack habitats might prove interesting.
You also mention that it had already been established that life existed on Proculus. It may help if you go into how this was verified. If this information appears elsewhere in the text, you may wish to make reference to the section where it can be found.
This is but the first section. More feedback on the rest will be forthcoming.
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Post by Dazo on Jan 8, 2005 8:13:11 GMT -5
Wow thats some good stuff Des, I want to jump straight in but I shall curb my exuberance until youve had a chance to post the rest. I think that some of your suggestions have already been included in the SR, the hot water gysers for one, though I didn't think to include microbial life in them... Hot springs, it has an internal heat source after all so maybe... ;D I cant wait for the rest
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Post by Destecado on Jan 8, 2005 13:50:08 GMT -5
I’m not sure what you mean by fiery twin. Since there is little or no volcanic activity on Proculus, they do not appear to be anything alike. Was this in reference to the size of the moon? This paragraph should be omitted in favor of a simplified SR for each moon. In the main planetary description, where you discuss the tidal effects of the moons, you may want to include a sentence directing readers to look at the SRs of the moons for more detailed information. You may want to make reference to the mining facility being a subsidiary or part of the Leskus Mining Corp., but don’t go into details about their relationship with the ATC here. A link to another post describing the history of the mining corp. and perhaps a link on this further page to one on the ATC would suffice. The SR for the planet is only interested in describing the government of this specific world. This of course will be colored by the overall corporate culture of the parent company, but the SR is not the place to discuss that. The UWP lists the type of government as an impersonal bureaucracy. Your description of how the government works seems to reflect this type of governmental organization to some extent. You may want to investigate a bureaucratic system known as Legalism to better define the organization of the company on Proulus and maybe for the whole corporation. Legalism is the application of Confucius philosophy to a system of government. Legalism is based off of a specific school of Confucianism (that of Hsün Tzu) which viewed all human beings as being born fundamentally depraved, selfish, greedy, and lustful. Previous schools had held that human beings were fundamentally good; every human was born with te (moral virtue). If you look at the development of children from infancy to adolescence and Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, Hsün Tzu’s view seems highly probable. This is not to say that we are stuck being greedy selfish creatures. Hsün Tzu believed that humans could be made good through acculturation and education. Hsün Tzu‘s pupil, Han Fei Tzu, took this concept one step further. He determined that humans are made good by laws. The only way to check human selfishness and depravity was to establish laws that rewarded actions that benefit others and the state and ruthlessly punished all actions that harmed others or the state. Legalism adopted the ideas of utilitarianism (people should be engaged in occupations that materially benefited others). Many of the tenets were of utilitarianism were attempts to move people from useless activities (as viewed from the perspective of the state), such as scholarship or philosophy, to useful ones, planting of crops producing of goods. Utilitarianism might not be beneficial in all forms of government or society, but in a system of government built around a corporation (where production and profit are the main driving forces) it seems quite appropriate. Legalists also invented what is called "rule of law." This is, the concept that the law is supreme over every individual, including individual rulers. The law should rule rather than individuals, who have authority only to administer the law. Tied in with the concept of "rule of law" was another concept, "equality before the law." In order to be effective, the law has to be uniformly applied; no one is to be punished more or less severely because of their social standing. In essence, the emperor would receive the same punishment as a lowliest peasant (at least in the ancient Chinese form of Legalism). This standardization or equality in all things was not only in the system of laws and government, the Ch'in or Qin (Chinese Dynasty) undertook a project of standardizing Chinese culture: the writing system, the monetary system, weights and measures, and the philosophical systems. The Qin had come to power after a long civil war (Warring States period of China) and was the first dynasty to rule a unified China. The warring states each had their own language, monetary systems, philosophical schools, etc. In order for the unification to work, it was deemed necessary to join all peoples under one writing system, one monetary system and by the destruction of rival philosophical schools under one government and philosophy. I’m not trying to imply that this was the reason that the corporation would go about this standardization (I was merely trying to give a historical prospective behind legalist thought). Standardization would be important for such things as uniformity of parts for their “unpack and stack” habitations and mining systems. I’ve only scratched the surface of the intricacies behind legalist thought and its applications. I hope it helps you with fleshing out the government of the planet and of the corporation as a whole. If you adopt a Legalist approach to the system of government, the law almost becomes like a religion. Religions such as the Imperial Creed would be tolerated as long as they did not detrimentally affect others or fall under the heading of a useless activity. Such religious practices would need to be done during the workers own free time (not during company time). The UWP lists the law level as allowing anything short of portable energy weapons. This makes sense, since the world has such a low population most everyone is probably a member of the PDF. Also, under the Legalist system, there would be little need to regulate the carrying of such weapons. The reason for this is the fact that breaking the law carries the most extreme consequences…so people will usually abide by the rules. The inhabitants of Proculus are pretty much on the frontier. As such, frontier justice is probably what they can expect. It would be sort of like the old west. Capital punishment carried out in a public forum would show that justice is swift and fair, but also emphasize to each person the consequences of going against the law. As to why the line is drawn at energy weapons. I don’t see the real danger coming from decompression. The true danger lies in the uncontrolled release of steam from rapidly released water vapor. Since the atmospheric pressure is so low, if an energy discharge were to strike the frozen surface, any ice melt would move quickly from a liquid to a gas. This uneven release could cause an explosion as the trapped gas attempts to break free. Decompression may be a problem, but I would think that the modular form would have redundancies built into it…and the prospect of the penalties for discharging a weapon within the habitat would lessen the occurrence.
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Post by Destecado on Jan 8, 2005 13:50:30 GMT -5
Five year contracts...hmm. Having a turnover of your population every five years is probably not the best idea. There is the problem of acclimation to the new environment when the new workers arrive. You would have at least a 2-3% (if not higher) mortality rate among the new workers. This figure is of course using the assumption of new workers instead of veterans. The reasoning behind this is the environment.
Ice blows (either from naturally occurring or from accidentally touching a hot object, such as the exhaust port of the respirator unit to a wall of frozen ice), falling through thin ice, inability to acclimate to the environment, could all cause workers deaths. All of these would cause work delays. Perhaps their could be bonuses for workers to resign or maybe during negotiations, there could be clauses for the company to extend the contract (with given incentive of course) if the need arose.
You might want to go into further detail here and also explain what activities the workers enjoy in their off time. You may want to touch on whether there is any illicit drug trade and what types of laws govern this or if it is company sanctioned. With regards to the brothels…I would assume these are company run. Is it a pay service or does the company provide this service to its employees free of charge with the prostitutes (male or female) earning a wage and any tips their tricks give them. Maybe it is also a contract service like the mine workers, where an individual could do a tour as a prostitute (a name that does not carry the bad connotation of prostitute needs to be devised as well).
Also is their freedom of movement on the planet. If a worker want to go exploring, can he/she leave the facility? What are the terms of the contract? Are their any stipulations for being injured while off duty? There is the urban legend of a sailor in the U.S. Navy who injured himself doing something stupid while on leave (and drunk as a skunk). The Navy was going to bring him up on charges of damaging government property (namely himself), because based on enlistment, they pretty much own you for four years. I don’t know if this is a true story or not, but how much control does the company have over its worker’s lives.
I hope this feedback proves helpful. Again, there will be more to follow.
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Post by Destecado on Jan 10, 2005 15:47:35 GMT -5
The UWP lists the tech level of the world as tech level 8. I’m not sure if plasma reactors would be too advanced for this tech level. Fusion reactors may be doable or with the low number of inhabitants and the high winds, wind turbines might be a more economical source of power.
Mining Techniques
You may want to go into a little bit of detail on how they actually go about extracting the minerals and resources from the planet. Is it strip-mining or tunneling Do they use explosives and drills or do they melt tunnels into the rock…if they melt tunnels with lasers or energy beams, how do they prevent explosions caused by hitting pockets of ice or other trapped gasses?
Knowing what form of mining is done will also give an idea of the vehicles and machines required as well as how extensive the fabrication facilities, workshops and repair yards will be.
I’m not sure how readily accessible grav-plate technology is in the Imperium. You’ll have to ask Kage about that. Based on a tech level of 8, they may be able to repair a grav-plate system, but I don’t know about fabricating replacement parts or rebuilding a damaged system. Since the habitat is a standardized design, having a piece of equipment that is at a slightly higher tech level than the culture on the planet shouldn’t be a problem. The engineers who constructed it were of sufficient tech level, but those inhabiting it are not…sort of like I can’t build a house, but I have no problem living in one.
Physiology/Psychology
Does the company hire only humans or are their any xeno employees or cariform humans such as ogryns or rattlings? You may also want to go a little into the selection of workers and what type of training that they go through before being assigned to the planet. From the way that the habitats have been described, you might want workers that do not suffer from claustrophobia. You may want to investigate (online) the tests that the navy uses to prepare and select those sailors who will serve on board a submarine.
They might also look for people who are extroverts and can socialize well with others. The cramped confines of a habitat are no place for brooding loners. Personal privacy and space would be at a premium. Such things would factor into the type of people you would want to attract as workers.
The development of two man teams either through training or just something that occurs among the workers could be an interesting part of the local psychology. This is an extension of the buddy system. As with rock climbing, swimming (and many other activities) you don’t go it alone. No one goes into the mine alone or even ventures away from the habitat alone. In an environment where pressure suits would be the standard, you want someone backing you up in case you get into trouble…or there to patch a tear in your suit that you can’t reach yourself.
Planetary Defense Force
You really can’t call this a planetary defense force. It is more of a security force, since 500 personnel have little to no chance of securing the entire planet. They could probably secure a cordon around the facility and instillations such as wind turbines and other power generating systems. There could also perhaps be a defense platform in geo stationary orbit above the facility with smaller observational satellites circling the planet to keep an eye on the terrain (so an enemy does not land on the other side of the planet and sneak up on the facility on the ground).
Using the same frontier model that I had mentioned previously, the security force of the facility would be like the sheriff and his deputies. I still think that if the need arose, the workers could be mobilized to give additional support to the PDF (for external threats). Each worker would go through weapons training as part of overall training process. This is not so much to make them good soldiers, but to give them the basics of weapons safety, to limit accidents from occurring. Internal trouble from workers themselves can also be minimized during the screening process (psychological evaluation).
Trade and Tithes
That sounds like a lot of minerals being extracted from such a small area. Are the mines all in the same location or are they spread out over a great distance? If they are spread out, then how do the workers get to the mines? Do they fly the miners in and then return them to the habitat? Since the planet is mostly ice covered, how do they get to the minerals? Do they have a large space based laser clear away the ice cover and then move in and set up shop?
The plasma reactors run on deuterium? This sounds more like fusion technology. Are the plasma reactors just a particular form of fusion reactor? Deuterium in combination with Helium 3 (He3) is currently being studied as a stable form of nuclear fusion. He3 is a byproduct of nuclear fusion. The solar wind of our star is thought to have deposited 1,100,000 metric tons of He3 in the lunar regolith.
The Earth’s magnetosphere and atmosphere block most of the solar wind, thus keeping out a substantial source of He3. The most significant source of He3 on earth currently comes from the maintenance of our nuclear stockpile (maintaing of nuclear weapons). Estimates place the supply at about 300 kg of He3 with a continued production about 15 kg per year. These estimates are based off of the nuclear arsenal of the United States only. Even if you factor in the stockpiles of all other nuclear powers, the amount of terrestrial He3 is still too small to provide a viable source.
Based on the thinness of Proculus’ atmosphere, some of the solar wind may get through and deposit He3 on the planet…of course, you will need to factor in the class of the star vs density of the planets atmosphere and magnetosphere in order to come up with a calculation of the totals…on top of that, you would need to factor in how much is lost due to ice melt (since ice covers most of the surface and this would be where the He3 would probably be deposited).
I don’t even want to hazard a guess at this calculation. Still it may be something you want to consider…maybe just putting it down as a good source or perhaps having the He3 mined on the moons. Having the moons as a source of HE3 of course is a factor of whether or not they have atmospheres and magnetic fields (magnetosphere)…even a weak magnetic field will affect He3 reaching the surface.
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Post by Dazo on Jan 11, 2005 8:12:46 GMT -5
So a short sentence about the location of the colony might be helpful, and a description of the difference between land and frozen sea is needed, ok. I must have added that part after you downloaded the SR because thats exactly the same idea as I had. And yes it is the gravitational tidal forces that keep the planets core hot. Forming snowcones, much like cindercones like normal volcanoes. Thats what I thought, and was also my origional concept I didn't want any liquid water, but I changed it because others said the temperature might be high enough for water to be present. I did, red dwarf stars don't emit a great deal of high energy radiation so rad levels should be more than tolerable for humans, and its not like they spend alot of time trying to get a sun tan. Besides the EV suits probably would also be designed to protect against low level radiation, they mine uranium aswell after all. I think they would constuct transpor to these regions rather than relocating the entire colony. Temporary bunks might be constructed though, for shift workers, maybe job rotation is a feature of the work practices. No its iron and copper and other basic metals that are processed, its better for transport if you export metal ingots rather than unprocessed ores. Yes its just the warmth. Yes I agree, now i'm not doing the other two mining worlds I can transfere alot about I had written about them over to proculus. And that includes alot about company mining bases. Well probably from core samples taken before mining began, or they might just have powerful bioscanners. I was trying to be poetic, Proculus is ice bound but eigr is covered in volcanoes fire and ice I might just add a section detailing the moons in the same way as was done for seleca. I think in light of recent discussions I think i'll mention as little as possible about both. It does?. It shouldn't, it should list it as company/corporation. It has a government of 2. Your description of Legalism might well still be useful as a base for this world, as each of the companys in ther cartel would have slightly different philosiphies. I wouldn't want to go that far, that almost arbite territory It was more the veiw that the imperial creed was for idiots and the ignorant, the cartels had no interest in worshipping the emperor as a god, but in deference to the ministorum they wouldn' t stop there employees from worshipping him. Really. It shouldn't, which UWP are you looking at, this is the current UWP M-V - C437428-8 Ba Lo 514 Im 55H law level is 8, which makes it quite restrictive, but thats not uncerprising as its a company installation so they would want to regulate what comes into the colony. Well they're a little more enlightened than that, but your right about it being a frontier world though, thats the exact impression/concept/flavour I want for Proculus. Maybe, its a little to extreme for my tastes though. The main consequence would be the loss of their job and the dissolution of their work contract, and the fact they would be dumped on the closest imperial world no matter how bad that world might be. And looking at the UWPs its not a nice world that they would end up on. Cost of said weapons, its more likely for them to own stubbers and autoguns. The company does provide las weapons in case of an invasion, so they have the potential to put up quite a resistance. The enviroment in the colony is a close as they can get it to normal conditions so they shouldn't take long to get used to it. That would be far to high, an overseer that allowed such casualties would be retired. The working of the colony demands as few delays to production as possible. A loss of 600-900 people would be dissasterous. I would expect the vets to look out for the newbies, also in transit training and safety meetings might help the new workers. More later
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