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Post by Dazo on Jul 15, 2004 1:35:39 GMT -5
An inquisitorial remit, special dispensation for services rendered perhaps. But i think CELS comments have more merit Yes this is true, but this company dosen't have full and total control of any world, well maybe one or two but in terms of standing armies and warships its capacity is limited, its strenth lies in its economical prudence No no, fair and reasonable prices is what the imperium wants and thats what they get, freakishly(in the imperium anyway) good and decent people run this company, if i'm forced to give up on that ideal i'll dump the whole thing, i'm sick of the depressing and soul destroying nature of the imperium, if humanity has truly fallen so far that these virtues have been lost them i'm not interested the sooner the hive fleet wipe's us all out the better So as long as i don't give them a milatary style classification i can have armed ships..ok i'l yield But if your still uncomortable with the whole concept of mega corporations then just say so, i'll move it to another sub sector I do understand, thats not how it would have went down, but in the interests of mollifing the imperium i'll cede all my military aspirations but i'm still going to have the lasguns
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 15, 2004 2:07:13 GMT -5
Some points that spring to mind...
With regards to military resources, I'm glad that they've been somewhat moderated. Access to military resources can, however, be acquired through the "back door" under specific arrangement with an Imperial Commander. Remember, however, that any military resources accessed in this regard will generally be of 'lesser standard' (in terms of technology; produced at one TL less than that utilised by the Imperium). All this means is that if one of the 'fighters' comes up against an Imperium one of similar function, it's not going to stand a chance...
However, regardless of the size of specific vessels it would be highly doubtful (as in no, you cannot have this) that a warp-capable vessel would be permitted "significant" armaments. (E.g. No "Cobra Class" vessels that are fully armed, etc.)
In terms of the sheer size of the 'fleet', you might want to give consideration to the concept of the relative composition of 'sublight' vessels to 'superluminal' vessels (i.e. Warp vessels). I would suggest that only a small fraction of those vessels would be warp-capable...
The "mother lode" is highly debateable. Adamantium is not a mineral, but rather a processed metal. It is, unfortunately, one of those "mickey mouse" concepts of the 40k universe (deriving from the fantasy dwarf material of the same name) and the nature is therefore questionable. Indeed, one might wonder whether the 'secret' of its making is restricted to the adeptus mechanicus.
Also, "multi-planet consortiums" do seem to exist in a limited fashion from the 'fluff', do they not zholud?
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Post by Dazo on Jul 15, 2004 2:14:24 GMT -5
I've an idea on that, Warp capable mega carriers that house the smaller vessels, it would be very economical so i was wondering if i could have some of those
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 15, 2004 2:16:23 GMT -5
There is no reason that a 'corporation' could not have a mothballed Imperium vessel, but one has to question why this wasn't shifted to a 'standard route' and the classis mercatilis...
But a "jump tender" is possible... just incredibly expensive to maintain and operate.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 15, 2004 2:30:52 GMT -5
Whats a jump tender, is there already a description somewhere.
I'm not so sure thats true, if you don't have a copy of Index Astartes II, this is what i'm reading "His descent left a scar in the virtually inviolable adamantium strata of nostromo" Leading me to the conclusion that adamantium is preformed if you like with out needing special manufacturing techniquies though getting it out is probably a bugger
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 15, 2004 2:42:21 GMT -5
A 'jump tender' is just a large, warp-capable vessel with "cavernous" cargo capacity which allows it to transport non-warp capable vessels.
As to adamantium... That's a new one on me. I'll be sceptical on that given the properties ascribed to that material.
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Post by zholud on Jul 15, 2004 4:09:29 GMT -5
I agree, actually. 15% of the subsector, in certain industries, sounds reasonable. Zholud, when you say that it might be ok for them to have 50% of a certain industry on one planet, then suppose that there are three agri-cultural worlds in the Meksum sub. (Or two agri-worlds and two other worlds which produce half the amount of an agri-world). If this corporation has 50% of the private agri-production on one of this worlds, that means it has something like 16,5% of all agri-industry in the sub, no? Even 100% in certain very detailed industry is possible, like creation of left black-and-gold wool sock for elite division on Seleca III… my point was on percentage of sub-sector gross output As to number of worlds I guess we still need to discuss how many worlds we have in sector… about hundred or about thousand? Before you start arguing on ‘too large number’ I want to point that all planets with ‘annexus Imperialis’ can be counted to this 1,000… thus I guess 5 planets on Anargo system alone…
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Post by malika on Jul 15, 2004 4:13:12 GMT -5
About military protection, maybe they company has their own security force, similar to Adeptus Arbites in equipment perhaps, but what about mercenaries?
Groups of mercenaries (who are their own company or band) hired out to companies for protection against pirates, criminals, aliens, coorporate enemies (competition).
I could see criminal organisations extorting the company, so basicly the company has to pay them protection money so they wont get robbed by the pirate/mercenary bands who now protect them for a percentage of the cargo.
They could be mounted on the same ship as the cargo, or they could have their own smaller ship, perhaps not war capable, but they attach themselves to the large warp capable company ships. But I more see their escort ships to be the size of a Thunderhawk Gunship or something
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Post by Dazo on Jul 15, 2004 4:47:35 GMT -5
Hey... ... If anything they would be black and white but yes thats true, but sub sector gross output is entirely subjective, what are the values for this how does one calculate economic outputs for a star system has anyone ever done that. this is why i started a thread on tithes to possibly work out the mechanics of somthing so crushingly vast as the imperial economy forgive my ignorance but what does that mean Definatly maybe The idea has merit, though i'm also planning to have them cozy up with the fleet If they tried that they might get a nasty surprise
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 15, 2004 4:57:52 GMT -5
Hey... ... If anything they would be black and white but yes thats true, but sub sector gross output is entirely subjective, what are the values for this how does one calculate economic outputs for a star system has anyone ever done that. this is why i started a thread on tithes to possibly work out the mechanics of somthing so crushingly vast as the imperial economy This is one of the reasons for the thread in Imperium, Modelling trade in the Anargo Sector...? A system exists by which we could begin to talk about the amount of goods shift between worlds, with the problem being that some of the assumptions made in that system might not be entirely consistent with the 40k universe.
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Post by malika on Jul 15, 2004 5:27:02 GMT -5
True, but since the company is pretty big it might be possible that on some sections of the company security isnt as tight as everywhere else, some almost empty mining facility perhaps.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 15, 2004 5:55:21 GMT -5
True it is big but the various operations it undertakes be it mining, fuel transport, chemical processing are all managed to a high degree, it was the for the reason above i wanted a war fleet to protect my assets, now that that idea has been shelved i plan on boosting security else where, i might well use mercs if they have a part way decent reputation And are you any further along with Quechit as i would like to formalise the nature of the relationship between our two companies
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Post by malika on Jul 16, 2004 1:15:55 GMT -5
Quechit is a planet which is ruled by a council of the most powerful companies on the planet, one of the smaller companies on the planet might be part of the Leskus Coorporation.
I'll post the concept I have for Quechit here soon, a bit worked out, but Im still going to need help with the whole guide system
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 16, 2004 1:42:25 GMT -5
As to number of worlds I guess we still need to discuss how many worlds we have in sector… about hundred or about thousand? Before you start arguing on ‘too large number’ I want to point that all planets with ‘annexus Imperialis’ can be counted to this 1,000… thus I guess 5 planets on Anargo system alone… That depends entirely on how many people go about building worlds! Once we're comfortable about the number of worlds that we have, then we can count the number of planets 'annexed' by the Imperium... Also, with regards to the 'fleet size', a quick calculated done in the above "Modelling" thread (actually, done on Portent now that I think about it) suggests that even the "smallest economically feasible warp-capable ship (SMECFWACS! ) is around 0.5-1% the 'gross world product' (annual) of a world such as Anargo!
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Post by Dazo on Jul 18, 2004 9:45:57 GMT -5
So your saying unless i've got spectacular profit margins i can't afford warp capable ships. What i don't understand is that these ships are performing short haul journeys why do they incur such high maintenace costs. Once you've bought a ship the only ongoing expense is fuel and docking fees if they exist, however if you are making your own fuel and the space dock belongs to you where's the cost.
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