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Post by Dazo on Aug 18, 2004 22:52:03 GMT -5
Why with a 90% hydrosphere why have they completely ignored the oceans as an agricultural asset. And why would they be exporting rice to other worlds to grow, wouldn't they be harvesting it and processesing for consumption on Neu Povolzh
Seems like a waste of good protien, what with their diet i would have thought all the above animals would become food. If people were eating rodents, without a managed farming regime they would soon become an endangered species, problem solved.
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Post by zholud on Aug 20, 2004 7:45:00 GMT -5
Why with a 90% hydrosphere why have they completely ignored the oceans as an agricultural asset. I just forgot them, recalled only today, but had lotta work to do. Will ad, thanks. And why would they be exporting rice to other worlds to grow, wouldn't they be harvesting it and processesing for consumption on Neu Povolzh You probably slightly misunderstood me – population does not suffer from mal-nutrition, it a sense of starving or being denied important ingredients. Rather they have specific diet with low-caloric food, like many nations across world and history do. The point is that for millennia you should get subtle changes in physiology. And they eat what they grow, they just export much more. it’s like unspecialised farmers in this sense. Seems like a waste of good protien, what with their diet i would have thought all the above animals would become food. Animals need food. No natural bio-systems like grassland/forest for them exist – no way to get wild animals for hunting. Feeding them with grain is costly – with meat of one grown cow you feed more than twenty times that number with processed food used to grew up the cow. So, if you maximise number of mouths to feed, you choose grain over cattle. If people were eating rodents, without a managed farming regime they would soon become an endangered species, problem solved. Problem is that people have no time to catch rodents, and rodents multiply well on fields – you need predators, cats or owls or the like. And you don’t kill predators for meat, especially if you know they are helping you – its more culture thing, like sacred cow in India.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 20, 2004 8:24:41 GMT -5
sorry I should have been clearer, i was talking about the rodents and pests. Well I don't know about that like, my point was if there was an animal that could be eaten, but which wasn't farmed in a managed way rodent or otherwise mankind is a voracious predator which would fall upon the rodent population like a swarm of locusts and wipe them from the face of neu povolzh However, you might have to change things any way since you forgot about 90% of the surface your world Unless of course you are doing what I have and have huge plankton and algae farms, they are mostly plant like I think, so no high protien crops that would mean you have to change your idea's on diet.
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Post by zholud on Aug 25, 2004 1:08:43 GMT -5
sorry I should have been clearer, i was talking about the rodents and pests. They eat rodents, but not on everyday basis. I thought about Chinese, who even for nobles made meat quite rarely – high density of population disallowed domestic animals and hunting destroyed most of wild life. Rodents are just very hard to get rid off and they fit to Agriworld, so I left them. Think about rodents there similar to Turkey that is once per year… mankind is a voracious predator which would fall upon the rodent population like a swarm of locusts and wipe them from the face of neu povolzh New rodents come with ships that transport grain, just like on Earth. However, you might have to change things any way since you forgot about 90% of the surface your world I decided not to use extensively my water resources because there is enough food on 10% of soil and 15% of shallow seas with morice. After all present day Earth survives on less There are mainly farmers, not fishers, they are used to it and have no free time to teach themselves fishery on industrial basis. Unless of course you are doing what I have and have huge plankton and algae farms, they are mostly plant like I think, so no high protien crops that would mean you have to change your idea's on diet. Some algae will be harvested and consumed/exported.
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Post by Dazo on Aug 25, 2004 1:20:55 GMT -5
Oh quite true, but its not their ability to feed themselves that concerns me, this is an agri world, so it should be producing enough food to support the populations of several worlds, thats all I was getting at. And if you are going to limit yourself to only utilising 10-15% of the planets surface you may struggle to accomplish that. Wow those are some bad ass rodents, theyed probably eat you if you tried to catch them
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Post by zholud on Aug 25, 2004 2:46:56 GMT -5
Oh quite true, but its not their ability to feed themselves that concerns me, this is an agri world, so it should be producing enough food to support the populations of several worlds, thats all I was getting at. And if you are going to limit yourself to only utilising 10-15% of the planets surface you may struggle to accomplish that. The planet output equals at least 5 modern day Earths, probably more, i.e. enough to feed 30bn or more (with less than 1mn on the planet each ‘farmer’ feeds 30,000 guys!). and once again to stress – they eat well, no malnutrition due to hunger/famine. But they are short of meat and other protein in their diet like Chinese were (and maybe still are ) and they are used to the fact that they have to eat a lot to feed themselves. Clearer now? Wow those are some bad ass rodents, theyed probably eat you if you tried to catch them Not as big as Turkey but as rare as Turkey on the table, unless you’re avid Turkey-eater
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Post by Philip on Aug 25, 2004 3:32:21 GMT -5
I posted this as part of my STCS:CS hive thread and thought it may help =Eco-footprint=I thought it might be useful to use 'Eco-footprints' in determining the viability of a hive, and the 'standard of living' a hive dweller would have. Ecological footprint calculatorfrom this site
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