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Post by RascalLeader on Feb 18, 2005 10:16:45 GMT -5
I can imagine; the whole news structure outside Meksum would be very screwy, the news clips could be years out of date by the time it gets to the outskirts of the sector. They would probably hear it from the Astropaths much quicker, so by the time it gets to another system its old news. So “News” Programmes are a bit tricky to do really. Imagine something happens within the sector and a camera crew is sent out to take the footage, by the time they get their they might have even missed what they went out for. If they do the journey back with it would take so time before they are even shipping out side of Meksum prime. So its likely that all news stories would be years out of date anyway before it got to any other worlds. It does not mean it won’t work its just going to be a funny system. Perhaps Meksum news network is decentralised so that there is a station on every major planet that can make enough copies to be sent out. The only problem that I could think of that this could cause is that it might be hard to get ships to transport the film if it does not come from one particular point; they would just have to hope that their was one hanging around. Audio-Visual in the Imperium is very interesting prospect, and is going to be an important part of what the sub-sector is going to be like. After all the worlds around Meksum Prime are going to be ‘shining beacon’ and be more progressive in this area then the rest of Anargo because it’s the home of the business. Their always going to get the news/Films first so its going to effect their social outlook. Just look on how the world has changed in the past 100yrs as audio-visual have come into their own, and its easy to see how big the effect is. There is a lot to think about. Because it’s a subject not really hit upon there is a lot of freedom on how this would work. Here are a few thoughts/ideas I have come up with: How are images filmed? Oversized cameras, through servator or some sort of implant? If they want to stay outside of the Mechanicus monopoly they might have to go with devices over implants since they would not need extensive knowledge to work. I doubt the Tech-preist would ever let something sophisticated into the hands of the news/film companies without major supervision. How is the images stored? Giant rolls of film, VHS like cassettes or a something similar to a DVD. All are equally valid, even thought you can guess GW would go with the most primitive of method if they would ever think about the subject. Considering that the Imperium has antigravity technology, holocubes might even be a valid storage method, but not in wide use. How would they be played? Is every home going to have a Television? Although this is going to be different from world to world remember that IF Meksum prime set up the whole business then they would be the ones to push the players on the other solar systems. They might have started out as projectors and turned into television echoing real historical trends. Would they be selling the small devices for the home or ones for all of the communities of each planet? Would the latest propaganda piece be more effective pumped out of a tiny grainy screen at home or projected onto the side of buildings as they walk down the street? Will the “propaganda” (since this can cover news, films and public statements) be subtle or brash? Meksum is hardly going to get away with big bold statements like “Meksum is best” the other subs wouldn’t put up with that, but they could do it by painting itself as wonderful happy progressive place. Would the same approach be taken when attempting to instil pride in the Imperium? They might be very overt when doing this to make themselves look like good loyalists. One of the most important aspects is the publics reaction to it all. This should be something that every world builder may have to take into account. After who knows how many centuries that the A-V recordings have been pumped out is anyone really going to care anymore? The more common place things become the more people get desensitised to it. It would be hard for anything to really stand out if the market is swamped. Although the on worlds in Subs further away from Meksum this won’t be as big a problem due to the time it take to ship this material to, every world within this Sub-sector is going to at the epicentre of the whole thing. Morven went to the Imperium first but were turned down because at the start it was a ‘minor’ internal affair. They just sit there for year the trouble being ignored by everyone else. Maybe its rival Agricultural worlds made sure this happened, Bribing officials to look the other way while Morven suffered. Doing this they could extend their own markets while Morvens prospects suffered under the civil war. Unable to turn to the proper authorities for support, Morven goes to the Mercs. Things start to look better so the competitors go to the mercenaries themselves and pay for the Rebels to get some support. This perhaps elongates the conflict and make sure the Morven food shipments are continually disrupted. I am sure in the end the Imperium might have caved into the plea because some of the off world merchants were suffering. A small of the unhappy minority probably formed to tackle the problem and make their voices heard by “greasing the wheels”. Even if it is a small problem, some of the ships on the Morven run would have gotten into a very sticky financial situation from the unreliability of the shipments. Additionally on some of the Hive worlds, taking away the cheapest food source would have effected the markets enough for a lot of people to become disgruntled by the conflict. Think about it; the cost of living would go up. The businesses would have to pay their employees more just so they can eat. A minor shift can effect a lot of things. Then the price of their products start going up to counter this drain. Before you know it whole markets have shifted. This the “Economical slow down” I envisioned, and it would be annoying enough for several concerned parties to have a word with the Imperial Guard Commanders. Is this enough intrigue? Or should we add a shadowy conspiracy into the mix? The question is would anyone be interested in putting their world forward for being Morvens sparing partner and bitter competitor? If not I could always develop a new world so I can develop this idea more.
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Post by CELS on Feb 19, 2005 14:10:15 GMT -5
I can imagine; the whole news structure outside Meksum would be very screwy, the news clips could be years out of date by the time it gets to the outskirts of the sector. They would probably hear it from the Astropaths much quicker, so by the time it gets to another system its old news. How about this then. The news companies / organisations buy the news from astropath companies / organisations. They then dramatise the news on film/holovid/whatever and show it to their world. This way, you save the time and effort of sending out film crews. Of course, what people are seeing on the screens isn't real, but who's going to know? Definitely an interesting area to explore, yes. Depends ;D On the allegiance, resources and technology of the people filming. Anything from oversized cameras to tiny recorders mounted in eye sockets goes. If there's an organisation supported by the world governor of Meksum, then I suspect these would have pretty fancy equipment. Advanced digital cameras, memory crystals, etc... Private movie makers could have less advanced equipment, such as analogue video, rolls of tape, etc. Probably not. Depends on the world. On Archaios, most people would have a TV / 'vid-screen'. On Tryphon, most people have access to them through official arenas. On Proteus, almost no one has that kind of luxuries. Why not? It's not like Anargo would declare war against Meksum because the government of Meksum claims that they have the most beautiful and wonderful world in the sector If they were to bad-mouth other worlds as heretical, cowardly, etc on the other hand, then it might not be tolerated. How about Trivium? There's already a bit of tension going on between the Meksum and Anargo subsectors, and Trivium is an old and powerful system in terms of agricultural output. They might not have welcomed new contenders.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Feb 20, 2005 7:51:13 GMT -5
one thing I'm curious about, this may have already been commented on, is where said newsgroups ge their funds? Modern television is heavily dependent on advertising, and I can't picture the TV channels of the 41st millennium doing much of that - not a lot to advertise and nobody that could afford it anyways.
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Post by CELS on Feb 20, 2005 8:34:47 GMT -5
Again, it depends on the world. I definitely see advertisement as a major income on some worlds.
With that said, this thread is getting a bit Off-T. This is the place to discuss concepts for the Meksum subsector, and the integration of specific worlds. Not tv in the Imperium I think it would be better to continue the discussion above elsewhere.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Feb 28, 2005 9:41:59 GMT -5
Aye.
Selflessly shifting the discussion back to my planet, I've been thinking on Karnak's relations w/ the sector during the Age of Apostasy (when Vandire revolted, right?). If I remember right, Meksum was the subsector that revolted with him, and Karnak's nominally part of Meksum. Since the Ad. Mech. were more-or-less running the planet during this stage of history, I invisioned them as being wary of losing this gold mine. I don't know whose side the Mechanicus supported during the AoA, but they might have used their own forces to protect Karnak. Or, if they were "neutral", isolate it completely and supply food themselves. It'd be a tempting target otherwise for both sides. This might even have repercussions in the "present", reflected in the trade agreements with Meksum/other subsectors.
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Post by Zholud on Feb 28, 2005 10:15:46 GMT -5
Selflessly shifting the discussion back to my planet, The right thing to do. If I remember right, Meksum was the subsector that revolted with him, and Karnak's nominally part of Meksum. Yes on Anti-Vandire Meksum. With Karnak as nominal part – we generally can discuss whether sub-sector capital has any say in other planet’s business at all. I guess worlds are fairly independent is short-run and dependent in long run, due to economic ties. I don't know whose side the Mechanicus supported during the AoA, but they might have used their own forces to protect Karnak. Neutral at first and then supported anti-Vandire forces during the 2nd siege of Imperial Palace.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 28, 2005 13:12:47 GMT -5
The anti-Vandire nature of Meksum also links up quite well with the same feature in Anargo, incidentally. Chances are that these two subsectors are more "radically" inclined then the traditional subsector of Dorvastor, with the significance of the adeptus ministorum...
But that's kind of a 'yes' and an 'aside' all in one.
Also, when posting your 'rectified UWP' and concepts/thumbnail images, please remember that you also need to address the concept of integration of the world. (E.g. Daz0).
Kage
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Feb 28, 2005 17:12:00 GMT -5
waaait, so Meksum was AGAINST Vandire? Which subsector supported Vandire?
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Post by Zholud on Mar 1, 2005 8:26:10 GMT -5
waaait, so Meksum was AGAINST Vandire? Which subsector supported Vandire? Anargo. That was the part of original story. Some claims of Meksum for more power are based on the fact that it was on winner’s side in that conflict. It is important to recall that Meksum fell to Anargo in M36, because it was unable to fight effectively… it is too fat and decadent ;D
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Mar 1, 2005 12:18:11 GMT -5
So....Vandire Revolts, Anargo supports him. Meksum it against him. Anargo defeats/captures Meksum, but is in turn beaten by anti-Vandire forces. Meksum wants more power because it was on winning side, even though it originally lost. Correct?
In the above, the Mechanicus could "isolate" Karnak once Meksum lost to Anargo, then lift the embargo once it was safe again.
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Post by Zholud on Mar 2, 2005 4:04:29 GMT -5
So....Vandire Revolts, Anargo supports him. Meksum it against him. Anargo defeats/captures Meksum, but is in turn beaten by anti-Vandire forces. Meksum wants more power because it was on winning side, even though it originally lost. Correct? Yep, correct. At least this was the situation some time ago. The point is that sometimes I don’t catch up with all new changes and concepts. Plus as a side not, I guess it will be nice to have some pariah-planet (outcast, no Necron force) in the Meksum sub that backed Vandire and a planet in Anargo that was against him… adds depth.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Mar 2, 2005 7:24:50 GMT -5
that'd be neat, but Karnak isn't really fitting in there. Since the Ad. Mech. were neutral/anti-Vandire, and they more or less had a monopoly on Karnak at that point, they'd clamp down and refuse to trade with either faction. The Skitari/TechGuard could enforce this, at least until Meksum was liberated by the anti-Vandires. Not really a pariah-planet, but an enforced neutrality (sort of like Switzerland in Europe, if the Swiss had a honkin' huge high-tech army to defend themselves with) since the Mechanicus were afraid of losing Karnak's supply.
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 2, 2005 7:36:56 GMT -5
This reminds me of something else that needs doing as we begin to build up a picture of the worlds so that we can integrate them into a history... Two step forwards, one step backwards! Isn't development by a group grand! ;D Anyway, IIRC Anargo was one of the subsectors - through the Anargan Theocracy - that supported the Vandire government. Following the revolve of Gaius Albrecht, the first Lord Anargo, the Anargan Theocracy was put down and the 'rule' of Vandire quickly dissolved in the Anargo subsector. Albrecht then too the fight to the stars... Kage
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Post by RascalLeader on Mar 29, 2005 4:07:04 GMT -5
Here are some new ideas for worlds:
[shadow=red,left,300]Chieron[/shadow]
Concept The Hiveworld of Chieron (Open to renaming) is an old and upstanding part of the sub sector. Unlike most hive planets the planet is still capable of supporting human life, and even rather beautiful in some place. However most of it is becoming desolate due to ecological mismanagement. Almost all of the population has gravitated towards the hives due to the employment opportunities available leaving most of the outlying communities deserted. Whole areas are little more then ghost towns until one of the ever expanding hive city builds over them. The planet has two big industries both revolving around Pharmaceuticals. It is one of the biggest produces in the sector of various drugs but it also the foremost authority, second to none, on the research and development of such products.
Unrectified UWP 56,44,54 - K-V - A663AAC-A Hi 424 Im 0A5
Integration with Meksum Food shortages are common on the planet (another problem caused by ecological mismanagement) so a lot of traffic comes in from the nearby Agricultural worlds within Meksum.
Integration with the Sector The Planet produces many different pharmaceuticals; Proroxianal (an Neural Chemical Stabiliser) being the most popular of these. All the Pharmaceutical and medical produces are in much demand throughout the sector, especially in areas where conflicts common. Currently an agreement with several of the worlds in castellan has Chiron producing vast amounts of first aid kits to supply those on the front line of the Ork threat.
[shadow=red,left,300]Damitar[/shadow]
Concept Damitar (Open to renaming) is Agricultural world known for its large cattle ranches. It is a world of much contrast. On the one hand the cities are at the height of industrialisation, but the countryside is still incredibly pastoral. Those in the rural communities vastly outnumber those in the city but are thinly distributed over massive amount of land. This has meant all the political power of the planet is in the hand of those living within cities.
The primary produce of the Damitar is meat, from the large herds of cattle reared there. However sizable amounts of basic food sources are also grown in the areas outside the grazing land. This gives them all the ingredence to produce a lot of different food products, some even considered delicacies on other worlds. They also produce low-grade materials left over from the production processes that they export to the nearby hive worlds in order to maximise profits. The planet has benefited enormously from its exports but the wealth has stayed within the hands of the trade Ambassadors representing the farms. These individuals are incredibly powerful forces within the distribution of food in the sub-sector and they take full advantage of this position of power.
Unrectified UWP 56,47,52 - K-V - A989758-C Ag 710 Im 095
Integration with the Sector Darmitar produces a lot of produces that gets shipped out to many other worlds mostly as luxury goods. The Trade Ambassadors have made connections with almost every world in the sector and beyond. They can set the price of items however high they wish since there is always someone willing to pay for some of the delicacies.
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Post by Zholud on Mar 29, 2005 12:47:05 GMT -5
The Hiveworld of Chieron (Open to renaming) is an old and upstanding part of the sub sector. …The planet has two big industries both revolving around Pharmaceuticals. It is one of the biggest produces in the sector of various drugs but it also the foremost authority, second to none, on the research and development of such products. notes: - Name – I agree with any name but I generally prefer to keep the to some meaning and not just cool sounding as some prefer. The meaning can be not easily decipherable but it should be. E.g. Meksum hints on Mexico – the largest city in the world, plus pig-Latin ending.
- Hiveworld – seems it is possible to keep the planet as a heavily industrialised civilised world instead. Its just because Hiveworlds are quite rare, IMHO at least.
- Pharmaceuticals – you have to note that we already have herb and even drug production on Meksum plus Quechit – a garden world famous for its medical supplies. Not that you cannot have another one, I just think we have screwed distribution somehow.
Damitar (Open to renaming) is Agricultural world known for its large cattle ranches. It is a world of much contrast. On the one hand the cities are at the height of industrialisation, but the countryside is still incredibly pastoral. Why cities have not industrialised agriculture to increase efficiency, thus output, thus profit? Otherwise ok.
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