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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 4, 2005 17:16:03 GMT -5
The UWPs are all listed on the first page of this thread, AFAIK.
Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 8, 2005 8:04:33 GMT -5
Assuming that the list of UWPs on the first page is still valid... 1) Poor world + AsteroidsLocation: Anargo sub buffer zone Revised UWP: 15,21,15- G-V - C579876-7 704 570 C-class star port (C), Medium sized world (5), standard atmosphere, tainted (7), 90% hydrosphere (9), hundreds of millions citizens (8), balkanised government (7), moderate law level, most firearms prohibited (6), Tech level 7 (7), no other planets (0), 4 gas giants (4), basic ecosystem (5), moderate resource level (7). Now, the system doesn't have any asteroid fields orbiting the sun, but perhaps there could be one orbiting a gas giant? That would actually make it easier to create a sort of community in deep space, because the different corporations wouldn't be so spread out. Oh, and there is a slight problem with combining the concept for the poor world and the asteroid field. The idea with the asteroid field was that it was so rich on resources that it was actually worth mining. Asteroid fields are typically quite dangerous to mine, I imagine. And I doubt a lot of intersector corporations would bother mining an asteroid field with 'moderate' resources.. 2) Garden worldLocation: Anargo sub trade spine Revised UWP: 18,22,18- G-V - F8995BA-7 N Ag 702 965 F-class star port ?? (F), Large world (8), Tainted, dense atmosphere (9), 90% hydrosphere (9), Millions of citizens (5), charismatic dictator (B), extreme law, weapon posession prohibited (A), Tech level 7 (7), no other planets (0), 2 gas giants (2), advanced ecosystem with proto-sentient creatures (9) The idea with the garden world was that it was supposed to be a moon orbiting a gas giant or large world. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a world with the right size (big worlds have high gravity). Now, unless Kage is willing to use the Guide or the Heaven & Earth program to create a moon for an existing gas giant, or willing to modify the size of the world presented above, the concept for the garden world will have to be changed 3) Industrial worldLocation: Anargo sub trade spine Revised UWP: 21,23,18- M-V - B5848BA-9 Ag 314 475 B-class star port (B), Medium sized world (5), dense atmosphere (8), 40% hydrosphere (4), Hundreds of millions citizens (8), charismatic dictator (B), extreme law, weapon posession prohibited (A), Tech level 9 (9), one other planets (1), 4 gas giants (4), moderate resource level (7) Now, the resource value is rather low, which doesn't exactly befit an industrial world. The problem is, I couldn't find a suitable world with a higher resource level within the Anargo trade spine. Ah well. 4) Agriworld / Mining worldLocation: Anargo sub buffer zone 16,23,13- M-V - CA9A685-8 Wa 505 1D0 C-class star port (C), Huge world (A), dense, tainted atmosphere atmosphere (9), 100% hydrosphere (A), One million citizens (6), self-perpetuating olligarchy (3), moderate law level (5), Tech level 8 (8), no other planets (0), 5 gas giants (5), very high resource level (D) Obviously, the main world presented here is the water-agriworld. The high resource level is in reference to the mining world in the same system.
Don’t we have one already? It is written as Agriworld, but that’s because garden ones are out of usual breakdown. Not that we cannot have 2 of those… we just have to write down what we mean under that name. Well, if the Meksum sub has a garden world, the Anargo sub should definitely have one I just wanted a garden world that is just a garden world. No agriculture or industry what so ever. Outflow of matter? I just figured the heat/energy would come from the planet core. But maybe we can let the solar energy give life to some bacteria or plankton in the thick ice covering the entire world. As you dig deeper in the ice, more advanced lifeforms are capable of survival, and when you get to the liquid water, you have fish and more.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 8, 2005 16:59:37 GMT -5
Assuming that the list of UWPs on the first page is still valid... One would hope so. I need to query the Anargo database again since I remember the last returns looking somewhat suspicious, but it should be broadly correct. Anargo at present roughly twice the size of any other subsector... ...but perhaps there could be one orbiting a gas giant? Nope. That's a 'Ring' as defined in the Guide. Basically just a field. Reminds me that I need to find the various definitions of starports for use as a rough guide. Now, unless Kage is willing to use the Guide or the Heaven & Earth program to create a moon for an existing gas giant, or willing to modify the size of the world presented above, the concept for the garden world will have to be changed Trivium has a large planetoid as a satellite to a gas giant, I believe. This is permissible within the Guide with the random distribution of gas giants. If a Gas Giant is placed in the habitable zone of a star, then the mainworld is placed in orbit around it. Obviously, the main world presented here is the water-agriworld. The high resource level is in reference to the mining world in the same system. I like this one. Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 9, 2005 3:07:36 GMT -5
Nope. That's a 'Ring' as defined in the Guide. Yes, but can't a ring consist of asteroids? Or will we have to put the asteroid field elsewhere, if we do use the concept. (I'd be interested in using it for the Archaios sub, if you don't want it for the Anargo sub) That would be good. I guess they should have something more than a field, but not much more. But that wouldn't solve the problem of high gravity. I thought a garden world should have low gravity, to make things as comfortable as possible for the lazy nobles who can afford coming there. Low gravity just seems to fit with the idea of a garden world...
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 9, 2005 11:12:42 GMT -5
Yes, but can't a ring consist of asteroids? Not generally... it's more chunks of ice, etc. With that said, there's nothing to stop there being a 'destroyed world' that has created something similar...? Or will we have to put the asteroid field elsewhere, if we do use the concept. (I'd be interested in using it for the Archaios sub, if you don't want it for the Anargo sub) I've missed something. You have a Poor world with an asteroid field for mining? The mining is going to make it less poor...? Not overtly sure of what is going on here. I can create some interpretations of what you're saying, but would rather just get right what you're saying in the first place! And you've already got enough worlds in Archiaos. That would be good. I guess they should have something more than a field, but not much more. Fair enough... I think. With regards to the starports, yes that is something else that is going to go in the new forums... But that wouldn't solve the problem of high gravity. I thought a garden world should have low gravity, to make things as comfortable as possible for the lazy nobles who can afford coming there. Low gravity just seems to fit with the idea of a garden world... Play around with the density of the world...? Kage
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Post by CELS on Apr 9, 2005 11:36:42 GMT -5
Not generally... it's more chunks of ice, etc. With that said, there's nothing to stop there being a 'destroyed world' that has created something similar...? Perfect. 'Armageddon' meets 'Deep Impact', without the happy endings. LoL. No, the rich asteroid field will detract from the validity of the concept. Simply put, if there's a rich asteroid field, then the world wouldn't be so poor, and the concept is invalid. But, but, but, it's not a world! It's an asteroid field! There's only so much you can do with density, unless you want the planet core to be made of wood With that said, I haven't really had a chance to run through the numbers, so I'll have to try when I get home, unless Dazo volunteers to help me out
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 13, 2005 18:30:11 GMT -5
Perfect. 'Armageddon' meets 'Deep Impact', without the happy endings. <sigh> Deep Impact. One of the only films where you cheer for the natural disaster. So, yes, why not go for a destroyed world image. Fragments could have been displaced into different orbits around a gas giant while the vast majority would be present in a single 'place' in a single orbit. It could be 'scattered' slightly over that orbit, though. I'm reminded of the Peter F. Hamilton Night's Dawn trilogy for some reason... LoL. No, the rich asteroid field will detract from the validity of the concept. Simply put, if there's a rich asteroid field, then the world wouldn't be so poor, and the concept is invalid. Well, since it doesn't have a planetoid belt you're okay. And even if it did you could fudge the results and make it primarily carbonaceous chondrite asteroid belt. Those aren't as mineral rich and, therefore, 'valuable'. But, but, but, it's not a world! It's an asteroid field! Fizzle-frak... ...unless Dazo volunteers to help me out Is daz0 the only one who can run H&E or something? Kage
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Post by Dazo on Apr 14, 2005 3:14:52 GMT -5
Lol. What do you need doing then Cels.
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Post by CELS on Apr 14, 2005 7:45:06 GMT -5
Nope, Dazo isn't the only one who can run H&E, but he is the only one who typically volunteers for such favours and who likes spending time with UWP Dazo, if you're interested, I need some help with running the UWP for the Garden world through the H&E program and see if I can get a low gravity. You'll find the UWP for the Garden world in this very thread. Erm... but then why would anyone mine them? I think you're missing the big picture. 1) I have a concept for a poor world. 2) I have a concept for a rich asteroid field. 3) The two do not mix. If you put them together, the poor world is no longer poor, or the asteroid field is no longer rich. Thus, the concepts are not easily integrated.
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Post by Dazo on Apr 14, 2005 9:38:25 GMT -5
Garden World
UWP: E8995BA-7
PBG: 702
TRADE CODES: Agricultural
STELLAR DETAILS: Primary Star: G5 V
SATELLITE DETAILS: Number: 3 Satellite 1: UWP:Y400000-0, Orbit: 7 Satellite 2: UWP:Y512000-0, Orbit: 11 Satellite 3: UWP:Y400000-0, Orbit: 15
Planet Diameter: 8,500 miles (13,600 km) Planet Density: Molten Core, 0.98 terra World Mass: 0.98 terra World Gravity: 0.98 terra Stellar Mass: 0.94 sol Orbital Distance: 0.7 AU Orbital Period: 220.635 standard days Rotation Period: 22.343 standard hours Axial Tilt: 24 degrees Orbital Eccentricity: 0.0 Seismic Stress Factor: 0.0
ATMOSPHERIC RELATED DETAILS
Atmospheric Composition: Standard oxygen-nitrogen mix, with low oxygen taint Surface Atmospheric Pressure: 2.4 atm Surface Temperature: Stellar Luminosity: 0.9 Orbit Factor: 447.045 Greenhouse Effect: 1.15 Base Temperature: 13.869 degrees C Orbital Eccentricity Effects: Tc=0 degrees C, Tf=0 degrees C Latitude Temperature Effects: (Hex Row=Degrees C) 1=+21, 2=+14, 3=+7, 4=0, 5=-7, 6=-14, 7=-21, 8=-28, 9=-35, 10=-42, 11=-49 degrees C Axial Tilt Base Increase: 14.4 degrees C Axial Tilt Base Decrease: -24 degrees C Axial Tilt Latitude Effects: (Hex Row=Degrees) 1=0, 2=0, 3=0.25, 4=0.5, 5=0.75, 6=1, 7=1, 8=1, 9=1, 10=1, 11=1 degrees Length of day and Night: 11.171 standard hours Rotation-Luminosity Effects: 0.9 Daytime Rotation Effects: 0.36 +per hour of daylight, 1,032.728 absolute maximum plus temperature Nighttime Rotation Effects: 0.5 -per hour of darkness, 28.687 absolute maximum minus temperature Native Life: Exists Atmospheric Terraforming: Has not occurred Greenhouse Effect Terraforming: Has not occurred Albedo Terraforming: Has not occurred
HYDROSPHERE RELATED DETAILS
Hydrographic Percentage: 86% Hydrographic Composition: Tainted liquid water Tectonic Plates: 9 Hydrographic Terraforming: Has not occurred Terrain Terraforming: Has not occurred Continents and Oceans: 1 major continents, 1 minor continents, 9 major islands, 5 archipelagoes
Resources and Goods: Natural Resources: Agriculture, Ores, Crystals, Compounds Processed Resources: Agroproducts, Non-Metals Manufactured Resources: Durables Information Resources: Software, Documents Weather Control: Is not practiced
POPULATION RELATED DETAILS
Total World Population: 700,000
Cities: Moderate-Size Cities (UWP Pop-3): Cities=140, Population/City=500 Small Cities (UWP Pop-4): Cities=3,780, Population/City=50 Primary Cities: 10 Starports and Spaceports: E/E/E/E/E/Y/E/E/E/E Orbital Cities: None Social Outlook: Progressiveness: Progressive, Advancing Aggressiveness: Competitive, Neutral Extensiveness: Harmonious, Xenophobic Number of Customs: 5 Local Customs/Practicing Group: One group eats other's leftovers/All population. Unusual fingernails/All population. Unusual facial alterations/All population. Have minimal quarters/Certain age groups. Unusual fingernails/Political figures.
GOVERNMENT RELATED DETAILS
1. Representative Authority Guide: Non-Charismatic Dictator, Elite Council
LATITUDE BASE HEX BASE TEMPERATURE TEMPERATURE ROW TEMPERATURE EFFECTS FOR HEX ROW 1 14 21 35 2 14 14 28 3 14 7 21 4 14 0 14 5 14 -7 7 6 14 -14 0 7 14 -21 -7 8 14 -28 -14 9 14 -35 -21 10 14 -42 -28 11 14 -49 -35
AXIAL TILT HIGHEST HEX SUMMER AXIAL TILT TEMP PLUS DAYTIME ORBIT ECC TEMP FOR ROW PLUS FACTOR IN SUMMER PLUS PLUS HEX ROW 1 14 0 0 4 0.0 39 2 14 0 0 4 0.0 32 3 14 0.25 4 4 0.0 28 4 14 0.5 7 4 0.0 25 5 14 0.75 11 4 0.0 22 6 14 1 14 4 0.0 18 7 14 1 14 4 0.0 11 8 14 1 14 4 0.0 4 9 14 1 14 4 0.0 -3 10 14 1 14 4 0.0 -10 11 14 1 14 4 0.0 -17
AXIAL TILT LOWEST HEX WINTER AXIAL TILT TEMP MINUS NIGHTTIME ORBIT ECC TEMP FOR ROW MINUS FACTOR IN WINTER MINUS MINUS HEX ROW 1 -24 0 0 6 0.0 29 2 -24 0 0 6 0.0 22 3 -24 0.25 -6 6 0.0 9 4 -24 0.5 -12 6 0.0 -4 5 -24 0.75 -18 6 0.0 -17 6 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -30 7 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -37 8 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -44 9 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -51 10 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -58 11 -24 1 -24 6 0.0 -65
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Post by Dazo on Apr 14, 2005 9:58:56 GMT -5
Primary Star G5-V
GARDEN I Alpha UWP: XC00000-0 Basic World Type: Large Gas Giant Gas Giant UWP Size: 240 Gas Giant Diameter: 242,000 miles (387,200 km) Gas Giant Density: Solid rocky core, 0.29 terra Stellar Mass: 0.94 sol Orbital Distance: 0.2 AU Orbital Period: 33.696 standard days Rotation Period: 21.7 standard hours
SATELLITE DETAILS: Number: 11 Satellite 1: UWP:Y551400-7, Orbit: 7 Basic World Type: Satellite 2a. Planet Diameter: 5,200 miles (8,320 km) 2b. Planet Density: Molten Core, 0.96 terra 6. World Gravity: 0.6 terra 7c. Orbital Period: 33.696 standard days 8a. Satellite Orbital Distance: 42,700 km 8b. Satellite Orbital Period: 0.01 standard days 9. Rotation Period: 73,357.946 standard hours 12. Seismic Stress Factor: 13.861
ATMOSPHERIC RELATED DETAILS
Atmospheric Composition: Standard oxygen-nitrogen mix Surface Atmospheric Pressure: 0.7 atm Base Temperature: 438.311 degrees C Length of day and Night: 36,678.973 standard hours Native Life: Exists Atmospheric Terraforming: Has not occurred Greenhouse Effect Terraforming: Has not occurred Albedo Terraforming: Has not occurred Hydrographic Percentage: 14% Hydrographic Composition: Liquid water Tectonic Plates: 1 Hydrographic Terraforming: Has not occurred Terrain Terraforming: Has not occurred Continents and Oceans: 1 major oceans, 2 minor oceans, 0 small seas, 0 scattered lakes Volcanoes: 3 Resources and Goods: Natural Resources: Agriculture, Compounds Processed Resources: Non-Metals Weather Control: Is not practiced
Satellite 2: UWP:YS00000-0, Orbit: 8
Satellite 3: UWP:H540000-0, Orbit: 9 Basic World Type: Satellite Planet Diameter: 4,900 miles (7,840 km) Planet Density: Rocky Body, 0.66 terra World Mass: 0.161 terra World Gravity: 0.412 terra Satellite Orbital Distance: 54,900 km Satellite Orbital Period: 0.017 standard days Rotation Period: 0.0 standard hours Seismic Stress Factor: 13.381 Atmospheric Composition: Standard oxygen-nitrogen mix, with high oxygen taint Surface Atmospheric Pressure: 0.55 atm Base Temperature: 359.277 degrees C Length of day and Night: 0.0 standard hours Tidally Locked Worlds: World is tidally locked Native Life: Does not exist Hydrographic Percentage: 0% Tectonic Plates: 1 Volcanoes: 4
Satellite 4: UWP:Y302200-6, Orbit: 10 Satellite 5: UWP:Y230000-0, Orbit: 11 Satellite 6: UWP:Y420000-0, Orbit: 12 Satellite 7: UWP:HS00000-0, Orbit: 15 Satellite 8: UWP:Y400000-0, Orbit: 30 Satellite 9: UWP:H200000-0, Orbit: 35 Satellite 10: UWP:Y100000-0, Orbit: 45 Satellite 11: UWP:Y100000-0, Orbit: 60
GARDEN I Beta UWP: XB00000-0 Basic World Type: Small Gas Giant Gas Giant UWP Size: 40 Gas Giant Diameter: 46,000 miles (73,600 km) Gas Giant Density: Solid rocky core, 0.27 terra Stellar Mass: 0.94 sol Orbital Distance: 0.4 AU Orbital Period: 95.305 standard days Rotation Period: 27.35 standard hours
SATELLITE DETAILS: Number: 4 Satellite 1: UWP:YR00000-0, Orbit: 1 Satellite 2: UWP:Y200000-0, Orbit: 4 Satellite 3: UWP:YS00000-0, Orbit: 10 Satellite 4: UWP:Y210000-0, Orbit: 12
Main world E8995BA-7
GARDEN I Delta UWP: Y10043B-7 Basic World Type: Planet Planet Diameter: 1,000 miles (1,600 km) Planet Density: Rocky Body, 0.72 terra World Mass: 0.001 terra World Gravity: 0.09 terra Orbital Distance: 1.0 AU Orbital Period: 376.727 standard days Rotation Period: 37.94 standard hours
ATMOSPHERIC RELATED DETAILS
Atmospheric Composition: None Surface Atmospheric Pressure: 0.0 atm Base Temperature: 29.96 degrees C Native Life: Does not exist Atmospheric Terraforming: Has not occurred Greenhouse Effect Terraforming: Has not occurred Albedo Terraforming: Has not occurred
HYDROSPHERE RELATED DETAILS
Hydrographic Percentage: 0% Tectonic Plates: 1 Hydrographic Terraforming: Has not occurred Terrain Terraforming: Has not occurred Volcanoes: 2 Resources and Goods: Information Resources: Documents Weather Control: Is not practiced
POPULATION RELATED DETAILS
Total World Population: 70,000
Cities: Medium-Large Cities (UWP Pop-2): Cities=140, Population/City=500 Primary Cities: 10 Starports and Spaceports: Orbital Cities: None
Social Outlook: Progressiveness: Conservative, Advancing Aggressiveness: Unaggressive, Neutral Extensiveness: Harmonious, Xenophobic Number of Customs: 4 Local Customs/Practicing Group: High-tech allowed for.../Certain races. Live apart in groups/All population. Live with groom's family/All population. Segregated during meals/Convicted criminals.
SATELLITE DETAILS: Number: 3 Satellite 1: UWP:YR00000-0, Orbit: 1 Satellite 2: UWP:YR00000-0, Orbit: 3 Satellite 3: UWP:HS00100-6, Orbit: 8
GARDEN I Epsilon UWP: F200000-0 Basic World Type: Planet Planet Diameter: 2,000 miles (3,200 km) Planet Density: Rocky Body, 0.6 terra World Mass: 0.009 terra World Gravity: 0.15 terra Orbital Distance: 1.6 AU Orbital Period: 762.441 standard days Rotation Period: 21.588 standard hours
ATMOSPHERIC RELATED DETAILS
Atmospheric Composition: None Surface Atmospheric Pressure: 0.0 atm Base Temperature: -60.101 degrees C Native Life: Does not exist Atmospheric Terraforming: Has not occurred Greenhouse Effect Terraforming: Has not occurred Albedo Terraforming: Has not occurred
HYDROSPHERE RELATED DETAILS
Hydrographic Percentage: 0% Tectonic Plates: 1 Hydrographic Terraforming: Has not occurred Terrain Terraforming: Has not occurred Volcanoes: 6 Resources and Goods: Processed Resources: Agroproducts Weather Control: Is not practiced
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Post by Tynesh on Apr 14, 2005 10:16:38 GMT -5
The poor mining world could be made to be possible.
Imagine that the people who work in the mines live in out right povery, forced into slave labour and have not possessions etc. They mine lots of valuable minerals but all the wealth generated by them goes to an offworlder or organisation.
Tynesh
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Post by CELS on Apr 14, 2005 11:51:18 GMT -5
The concept is not just to have poor people. It's to have a nigh on worthless world. Bad soil, lack of minerals, etc. The concept is that this total lack of value has led to a decrease in tech level, all the way from fusion plants and computers to black powder pistols and steam engines. The lack of wealth was the only way I could think of to justify the low tech level.
Thank you for your effort, Dazo, but if 0,98 g is the lowest you could do, then I'm afraid that detracts a bit from the concept. As you may have read, I wanted a low gravity world where overweight nobles could move with ease. 0,98 g is probably a higher gravity than the homeworld of many.
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Post by Dazo on Apr 14, 2005 13:25:47 GMT -5
Errm yes...read...fact is your not going to get a low gravity with such a big world, but, if I could give you a world with 0.6 g, a better atmosphere and same hydrographic % and star, would you be interested.
15,21,15- G-V - C579446-9 704 570 is the world in question, now this world I can make dance to your tune if your interested of course.
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Post by CELS on Apr 14, 2005 14:11:21 GMT -5
Of course, 15,21,15 is the location of the 'poor world', at the moment. It is also in the semi-dangerous 'buffer zone' of the Anargo subsector.
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