The "Hidden Centre" of the Sector Jul 30, 2004 4:52:02 GMT -5
Post by Destecado on Jul 30, 2004 4:52:02 GMT -5
ZoomDog said:I have to ask, why? We know that the OO had the power to destroy Tomb Worlds, why not just blow the Tomb to pieces rather then develop a highly complicated technology that required constant maintenance to get the same effect (with the added risk of them escaping.)
Welcome to the discussion ZoomDog. I agree with what Kage posted as answers to your question, but I will also try to elaborate a little on the concepts.
As Kage stated, the experiment was conducted at a time after the emergence of the C'tan, when the War in Heaven had turned against the Old Ones. The Old Ones were divided on how to proceed. This experiment was probably one of many strategies being worked on to counteract the Necrons.
As far as I rememebr from the Fluff, I don't think that the Necrons use warp technology. The Old Ones were masters of warp technology. The proto-dimension concept was mainly an outgrowth of the technology behind the Warp Gate Network(at least as I see it).
Unfortunately the Warp Gates derive stability from our reality. If you look at our own universe (reality) you will see that it is also expanding. The original proto-dimension that was created by the Old Ones was too perfect in its design, it had internal perscision, but did not allow for growth or change.
It must be rememebred that this proto-dimension was only an experiment and not the final prison. Many of the variables that allowed for changes to the system and expansion of the proto-dimension were left out to lower the difficulty in construction of the pocket reality.
ZoomDog said:The Old Ones didn't know how hard it was going to be to maintain, this was just the trial run to see how it worked. After they had 'captured' the system, they saw how inefficient it was and discarded the idea (but kept this one going for study.)
You are dead on. The Old Ones had created many amazing things such as the Warp Gate, (mentioned above) but nothing of the complexity involved with creating an enirely seperate reality distinct and seperated from our own.
Its flaw would probably have become apparant within a short amount of time. They kept it going in order to study how to correct the flaws. Personally, I think they finally figured out that corecting the flaws was even beyond their considerable ability.
Still the lessons that they learned and the information that was gathered would have proved invaluable in the construction of the Warhammer Fantasy Universe. (The fluff at one time stated that the fantasy universe existed somewhere within the 40k Universe....I'm not sure if this still holds true, but it does show that the Old Ones did have the technology to create proto or alternate realities). Rather than using the technology to imprison the Necrons, they used it to create a refuge for themselves.
The Necron Tomb in question was a particularly powerful one, and this was seen as a less costly (in terms of life, military resources) method of defeating them. This, of course, depends on how the system is sent to the other dimension; can they do it from a distance, or must they fight their way into the system to perform it?
The project was aimed at creating a method of removing the threat of the Necrons from the Galaxy while limiting the losses of the Old Ones and their allies. The same avenue of thought is what lead to the develpement and subsiquent use of the first nuclear bomb.
I had not given much thought as to how the field would be applied, but Kage's answer seems to fit well. Whatever the method, it would be less costly than the manner in which the war had been fought up to that point.
How does this affect time within the dimension? Has time frozen, or have the Necrons within been stuck with no-where to go for 60 million years? Also, how big was the area of space that was initially captured (just one system?), and how did this area of space split up when the proto-dimension shattered? Did the Tomb World go into one dimension, and it's sun another?
One thought that's come to me is this: the Necrons have had 60 million years to study this dimension (unless time flows differently), so there remains the possibility that they have worked out how it works. Rather then undoing the effect and returning them to the original universe, could they not try to stabilise the effect? Once that is done, they could then develop a method of sending ships from their own dimension to the Materium, and back again. This would, essentially, create the ultimate hidden base for the Necrons; we know that they're all about raiding at the moment, hiding their bases and conducting small operations. Once in a while the Imperium finds a Tomb, and attempts to destroy it. Wouldn't having their base in a seperate reality be the ultimate defence? The Necrons would be able to strike at the Imperium with little to no threat of retaliation.
I'm not saying that they should be at this point yet, but possibly that is the goal of the Necrons within the dimension. They're trying to find a way to 'control' it before it collapses back into the Materium. Their imprisonment could work out to be a great advantage.
Time would flow differently in the fragments. In one, it may be flowing very slowly compared to our reality in others it could be flowing at the same speed or faster. A couple possibilites. Your thoughts on the Necrons having gained some knowledge in the mechanics of warp travel is a possibility, but I don't feel that we should discuss such things in this thread.
This thread mostly deals with the macro concepts of the fragments, their origin, effect on the warp at the Heart of the Sector and their stability. Discussing the realities that exists within each fragment would best be covered in another thread. (or multiple threads)
EDIT: based on Kage's correction of my misconception about the creation of the Web Way, I have gone back and edited this information in the original post.