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Post by malika on Mar 7, 2004 14:20:45 GMT -5
Oooooooooooh, that last suggestion is interesting, since it opens for a seriously underestimated and unexplored concept..... CHAOS ORKS!!! And for all you non-believers, check out page 50 of Codex: Daemonhunters, put it in your pipe and smoke it. The Chaos Orks are out there, and they're super-cool. Especially because all we ever hear about are corrupted humans! Blood for Gork, Skulls for Mork!! ;D Im not talking about Chaos Orks...the Iron Warriors left their fortications to flee to the Eye Of Terror... The place has been empty for ages....and some local Ork Warlord is flying by, looking for battle, loot, whatever...and then he notices this planet...and finds all these empty, very good fortifications...so he takes in the fort and uses it for his own, and of course kinda recreates some stuff there...Orky thingies...maybe a giant statue of his head on top of the fort... NO THEY ARE NOT CHAOS ORKS!!! JUST ORKS WHO HAVE LOOTED A CHAOS FORT!!!
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Post by zholud on Mar 7, 2004 15:49:12 GMT -5
NO THEY ARE NOT CHAOS ORKS!!! JUST ORKS WHO HAVE LOOTED A CHAOS FORT!!! Just think for a minute: we have a lot of Orks around for millennia. We know that our humans have several chaos cults around and even when we try to downplay it compared to usual GW practise. So, why Orks, just a minor part of them cannot get a strange mix of native and chaotic creeds? Just a very small group, only for flavour. The majority are plain Orks.
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 7, 2004 15:54:26 GMT -5
I am all for the introduction of Chaos Orks since their removal from the 'fluff' has always struck me as dubious at best, a manifestation of 2E where GW tried to decentralise the importance of Chaos. Protected by Gork and Mork... ha! As long as one doesn't over-do things and shake peoples' foundations too much! Kage
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Post by malika on Mar 7, 2004 18:03:54 GMT -5
Just think for a minute: we have a lot of Orks around for millennia. We know that our humans have several chaos cults around and even when we try to downplay it compared to usual GW practise. So, why Orks, just a minor part of them cannot get a strange mix of native and chaotic creeds? Just a very small group, only for flavour. The majority are plain Orks. What I was trying to say is that just because they have taken over a chaos fort doesnt mean they worship chaos all of a sudden... Maybe the Iron Warriors left their fortification during the Heresy to join the attack on Terra..so there isnt any real chaos (deamon and gods stuff) there
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Post by CELS on Mar 7, 2004 20:58:04 GMT -5
Well, since several members agree that it would be cool to see some Chaos Orks, I say we should stick with the idea even if it wasn't what you suggested, Malika, or even what you want.
That Orks are susceptible to Chaos is undisputable. If the Orks did come across an ancient Iron Warrior fort, built after their corruption by Chaos, chances are they would come across nasty things. Chaos corrupts... they could come across possessed weapons, powerful chaos artifacts, dark temples... Remember how one of the Tanith (in the Gaunt's Ghosts novels) was wounded by the shards of an exploded chaos relic and turned into a daemon in First & Only? Chaos works in mysterious ways....
And no, we should not overdo things. Just limit the Chaos orks to the orks who have come across this Iron Warriors fort. That would make it probably just the one warband at present... of course, the size of the warband is up for discussion.
But this is really something for another thread,.
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Post by malika on Mar 8, 2004 4:52:53 GMT -5
well that could be cool...what god would they worship? or would they be undivided? What kind of equipment would they have...no defilers I assume
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Post by Sikkukkut on Mar 8, 2004 7:47:42 GMT -5
That Orks are susceptible to Chaos is undisputable. If the Orks did come across an ancient Iron Warrior fort, built after their corruption by Chaos, chances are they would come across nasty things. >snip< Chaos works in mysterious ways.... My favourite was from the daemonhunters 'dex. One possible plot for an ork/DH battle was that the orks had used gubbinz from a salvaged Chaos Titan in putting together the boss' latest Gargant, and the Titan's spirit recoalesced in its new housing, to the ladz' detriment. I think Chaos stuff tends to be far too narrowly-focused on specific Powers, particularly in the case of orks who would probably not even understand the Powers in the same terms. If these guys have moved into an old Iron Warriors fortress and been tainted by it, I think this would work better as a subtle, sinister edge of deformity and malice to their physique and behaviour rather than having them suddenly set up a local branch of the Cult of Nurgle or whatever. They may not even be aware of what's happening to them - in the deft summing up of some guy on Portent (?) of his ork Boss with a daemon weapon, "he doesn't even really understand what Chaos is, he just thinks he's the shizznit".
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Post by malika on Mar 8, 2004 8:57:03 GMT -5
Werent the Storm Boyz in 2nd edition Khorne worshippers or something?
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Post by zholud on Mar 8, 2004 9:01:47 GMT -5
well that could be cool...what god would they worship? or would they be undivided? I guess undivided is the way to go, or maybe some lesser deity, like rumoured Obliterators or Raptors gods. I just don’t like overplay of Khorne, cannot see them with Nurgle or Slaanesh, and Tzeench is too intelligent
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Post by malika on Mar 8, 2004 9:14:57 GMT -5
nurgle and orks is kinda lame..didnt the ork gods defeat nurgle once already or something?
Nurgle Eldar on the other hand...something which has been in my mind for ages...anorexic eldar...pale greenish...but ok Im getting off topic now
Chaos Orks..undivided..sure, maybe more weird boyz?
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2004 9:51:42 GMT -5
Werent the Storm Boyz in 2nd edition Khorne worshippers or something? Yes, they were. Or you could have them as Khornate worshippers... or something. Definitely a wiff of Chaos in there but since orks are not at all on my list of favourite races... well, I tend to forget! Kage
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Post by malika on Mar 8, 2004 9:56:45 GMT -5
yeah GW kinda screwed up with the Orks I think...
Undivided orks are more in my mind rightnow, since they have taken over an Iron Warriors fortress...which isnt very Khornate..but maybe a small group of these Chaos Orks worships Khorne
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Post by Femerenden on Mar 8, 2004 10:49:03 GMT -5
They will exactly be worshiping "Da Gork 'an Mork". These are what they call to their gods whomever will; they will cal it with these names.
They deities their wars between them even their names will screw up an Orks brain. They are created to fight and geneticaly enhanced for this purpose. So it does in interest of the Orks to worship anyone(They even do not worship Gork and Mork as regular Orks). Its in iterest of the god which will try to taint them or look after them(Iron Warriors or Night Hunters in green skins)
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Post by zholud on Mar 8, 2004 11:23:23 GMT -5
They will exactly be worshiping "Da Gork 'an Mork". These are what they call to their gods whomever will; they will cal it with these names. To say the truth I think that noted in Freebooters allusion of Gork=Khorne and Mork=Tzeench is very limited, so at least I prefer them worshiping something else, even it is new pseudo-Orkish god.
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Post by Minister on Mar 8, 2004 11:28:20 GMT -5
Under protest...
Rather than having them actually toutched by any of the ods, even the small ones, have them tainted by Chaos in a purer sense, which would not manifest as strongly but would show increases in the unpredictability of their personalities, the ocasional mutation, a distinct nastyness to their behaviour and so-on?
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