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Massil
Apr 14, 2004 6:08:26 GMT -5
Post by Tynesh on Apr 14, 2004 6:08:26 GMT -5
Ok Kage will follow your word, from now on:)
Sorry for the confusion it has churned up!
Hmmmmmm like the idea of the Fortress Sikkukkut. So the FB founded on Massil, and constructed a vast fortified monastry on Massil's single northern continent. Built into the slopes of the highest mountain on the ice-bound continent, it served as refuge as the chapter was brought up to strength.
Given the nature of the populace I think that existance of a distant relative who was taken by the chapter could be an interesting story. Some famililes will be proud of the fact. Those that know no better tell stories of fear about the Ice Giants who flew from the north and took away many children.
Why did the chapter leave? Massil is a fairly cold place so an ideal place for the chapter to start out before they found their new homeworld.
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Massil
Sept 2, 2004 8:38:06 GMT -5
Post by Dazo on Sept 2, 2004 8:38:06 GMT -5
So have you finished massil yet then, cos i'd like to read your SR for it and the rest of the worlds in the system. Oh yeah and what about parcellum, is any of that done yet, Castellan is rather barren at the moment And another thing why did you change the star, M0 V would give you a base temp of around 47 degrees C, with no ice caps, M1 V base temp of around 25 degrees and some moderate sized ice caps similar to the one on your map. so why change the star to an F class when M class is fine?
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Massil
Sept 2, 2004 15:11:03 GMT -5
Post by Tynesh on Sept 2, 2004 15:11:03 GMT -5
Both should hopefully become completed in the next three weeks or so before Uni starts again. Busy moving into my new student digs, so have unfortuneatley had little time to work on the SR's. Good News is that there has been lots of revision of the background for Massil, which is a big improvement IMHO:)
I have had so little time to work on the Project over the summer which is a real bummer since I thought I would have loads of time to do it, but I didn't!
Yeah I originally worked out the Temp and stuff for Massil and got that figure. However this did not reflect my idea for the planet. Temp would have reached 70 degrees on equator, which doesn't give a very habitable planet at any rate.
The point of the star types has been raised numerous times, as planets were chosen by devs for the characteristics like Agri or Hive etc and not from the effects of the star.
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Massil
Sept 28, 2004 8:03:40 GMT -5
Post by Dazo on Sept 28, 2004 8:03:40 GMT -5
When was massil colonised, was it early on before the orks began their invasion of anargo, or was it founded to provide a platform to counter the ork threat.
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Massil
Oct 2, 2004 7:45:40 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Oct 2, 2004 7:45:40 GMT -5
Perhaps it would be useful for people to being posting an SR-like representation of their worlds in distinct threads away from the initial discussion? While this is not going to automatically translate to uploading into the archive, it will make things easier rather than pepole sitting on their bottoms and waiting for other people to comment on their threads... be pro-active, etc.
And once a world is in the archive, that's kind of the start of things in terms of getting the Anargo sector to work in terms of trade, politics, etc. A dynamic creation, not just a bunch of disparate worlds...
Again, be proactive... ;D
As to the star type, again this was all randomly generated and could not conform to the initial goals of the project due to the 'rush' to get them finished. As such some latitude is allowed, as has been numerously stated in the past. The goal, however, is not to create hundreds of worlds all of the same star type... this would be the natural result of allowing people to do "what they want" rather than trying to give a push to their imagination.
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Massil
Jan 11, 2005 18:09:17 GMT -5
Post by Destecado on Jan 11, 2005 18:09:17 GMT -5
Though the SR information is still incomplete, it is a good start. I do however have some comments and suggestions on what you have written so far.
Gravity
The planet’s gravity is rather high (1.6 G). Does this not have any impact on the inhabitants or life in general on Massil? Massil might be the perfect training ground for strength conditioning troops. There could be mobile training camps set out on the abundant plains in the equatorial regions. Training in the higher gravity might help to increase the muscle mass and endurance of the troops.
Temperature plays an important part in both the growing season and crop yields. How much warmer does it get in the equatorial regions? Crop selection would also be important. Have you given any thought to what they will grow? Will it be grain products such as wheat or perhaps corn (or a hybrid crop)? If its wheat or another grain crop, maybe the small townships are know for their breads, bears or hard liquids made from the grain. Grain alcohol (that can be as much as 200 proof) could be known as Massil Anti-freeze.
Was the world occupied by orks for any long period of time or were these just raids to take slaves and steal swag? F the orks invaded and captured the planet, how long was it under their control? How was it retaken (what forces were involved in retaking it).
Were all of the old cities destroyed by the orks? If they are built directly on top of the old cities, are their sections of the old cities still around that are like catacombs or tunnels underneath the new cities? High speed rail lines probably are not the best way to go for several reasons.
Depending on how badly winters hit the steppes, the rail lines might require high levels of maintenance or be socked in by weather. The orks would probably try to disrupt lines of communication and travel before besieging a city. The rail lines would make prime targets…Actually giving it some more though, they might have one line for connecting each city for troop movement.
For some reason the idea of Hadrian’s Wall and the Great Wall of China popped into my head when thinking about the rail line. Instead of having a normal rail line like the ones that crisscross most countries or even a high speed maglev (magnetic levitation) train, what about one that is more like a cylinder going through a pneumatic tube.
The tunnel which houses the system runs inside a large wall that runs across the countryside. Along this wall, garrisons and watch stations are spaced at regular intervals. There may actually be room for two tubes (either side by side or stacked on top of each other). This would allow for travel in both directions at the same time. The garrisons not only provide protection for the rail line, but for the surrounding communities that grow off of these lines. You could have tubes leaving from the cardinal points of each city, this would make a crisscrossing pattern of tubes and garrisons.
At each garrison or switching station, a cylinder can move in or out of the tube system. You could also have long trains of cylinders running together. Instead of being pneumatic tubes, the cylinders could speed down the tubes on magnetic fields. The magnets would be spaced out along the tube…like an enormous particle accelerator. The cylinders could then be slowed down by a weaker opposing field running in the opposite direction as they approached their destination.
You could have passenger cylinders or those for goods only. The cylinders with goods only could be sent down the system at much higher velocities. If the inside of the tube was kept in a near vacuum state, wind resistance would be eliminated. So as not to impact the movement of herd animals across the step, there are portions of the tube that would be elevated on arches…almost like the old roman aqueducts.
Religion
The way that you have described the culture, the family (extended) seems to be the basic building block of society. The older members of the family…grandmothers and grandfathers, great uncles and aunts still live with the family and pass their knowledge and experience on to younger generations. Elders would therefore be respected maybe even revered. The emperor may be looked on in such a manner as the great father of all the families of man. He is revered and respected as the grand patriarch, but is not completely worshipped as a god.
The communities outside of the large cities might carry this a step farther into a form of ancestor worship, where the spirits of ones ancestors are thought to watch over and guide people in their daily life. The concepts of ancestor worship found their way into Christianity in the form of saints. Each saint has their own feast day. Many churches and other building are dedicated to a given saint (to have them watch over the building). People even pray to the saints for help or guidance. I can remember when I was a kid my great aunt praying to St. Anthony while she was looking for her missing car keys.
I’m going to stop there for right now, but there is more to come.
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Massil
Jan 12, 2005 8:42:46 GMT -5
Post by Tynesh on Jan 12, 2005 8:42:46 GMT -5
Hi,
Thanks for you comments. Unfortuneatly with the many changes to the Castellan Sub recently I have begun a great revision of the Massil SR. Great deal of this will infact change.
Interesting notes about railways. I did actually consider running trains (Japanese Bullet Style) in depressurised tunnels. Not too sure about their use. One breach and the tunnels depressurise. Highways maybe a better way to go?
Railways do have a much more unified structure to them, much easier to control under martial law. I don't see many people on the planet moving around. Troop movements are currently largely based on the railways few aerial transports and good old marching from the tracks to the battle!
Oh the gravity at 1.6G is a typo! Infact most of the stuff written there is different to what my backups say!
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Massil
Jan 13, 2005 12:02:51 GMT -5
Post by Destecado on Jan 13, 2005 12:02:51 GMT -5
recently I have begun a great revision of the Massil SR. Great deal of this will infact change. Then I'll wait till the SR revision to post further feedback. The way I had envisioned this was a wall 20 - 30 feet thick. The tubes would run inside of the wallswith access ways and gantries running beside it. The 20-30 feet thickness would allow for either a raised road way above the tubes or the building for watchtowers and relay stations. The tunnels could have some self repairing technology...if a leak was detected, a sealer would be sprayed over the crack or leak. In cases of catostrophic failur of the system. there would seals within the tube that would allow for sections to be closed off to contain the depressurixation. The vacuum within the tubes would be monitored. if there was a drop off of a given amount, safeties would automatically kick in to prevent an accident. the tube section could then either be repaired or replaced. the air could then be evacuated. When it reached vacuum, the safety locks at the ends of the section would be realsed. Transit through the tube could then be resumed. Of course if you feel that this technology is too advanced or too expensive to maintain (they have after all suffered greivous losses) perhaps a less lw tech train and highway system could be used. The train could still run inside the wall with the highway above it. the road would afford protection for convoys from any bandits as well as from accidents due to poor road conditions. If you want to use a monorail system for the train, that might work...just make sure the salesman is reputable. If its a monorail system, then perhaps these are suspended above the roadway. Have you ever seen the Contemorary Resort at Disneyworld, where the monorailr runs right through the middle of the hotel? this armored roadway would also provide some protection from the elemenrs. It could be acceesed by on and off ramps at regular intervals to support the small comunities that would spring up around it....almost in the same manner that towns sprung up along the lines of rail roads or highways in our own history. Unlike the standard highway, this highway within a wall would also serve as a place of shelter for these communities during attacks. Along with garrisons and watch towers, there could be bomb shelters and store houses. Each watchtower can shut off the section of highway that runs through it. Huge blast doors can be lowered to keep attackers at bay that may have accessed the roadway. You could also have cameras and other monitoring devices on the roadway...along wth automated guns or positions that could be manned. The watchtowers should be spaced, so that each can see the other and signal for assistance if they are attacked. Larger garrisons might have long ranged guns (either emplaced or mobile) that would allow them to hit targets with a barage. You would still probably need a roadway, this would allow for the movement of troops and suplies away from the main rail line. As I had stated above, if you had watchtowers along the roadway with large blast doors that they could close over the tunnels (the section of the roadway that passes through the tower, you could also restrict movement.
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Massil
Jan 14, 2005 4:34:18 GMT -5
Post by Sojourner on Jan 14, 2005 4:34:18 GMT -5
Wen you say vacuum, you mean hard vacuum? In a planetary atmosphere?
It's a good idea, but the efficiency gains wouldn't be worth the effort of generating the vacuum in the first place. I believe the energy input to create a strong vacuum increases exponentially, but don't quote me on that. A 1kPa partial vacuum is much easier to create than a 0.5kPa vacuum, that's for sure.
Go with low pressure sure, it's a great idea. The extreme vacuum isn't worth it though.
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Massil
Mar 13, 2005 14:05:47 GMT -5
Post by Tynesh on Mar 13, 2005 14:05:47 GMT -5
Just a little digram of the railway concept. Four tracks can be run down the tunnel, highway on the top allows for troop transport or movement of non-standard items. Comments Tynesh
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