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Post by Minister on Feb 9, 2004 4:15:56 GMT -5
The idea being that, after the rather large war to get rid of the Lord Cardinal Commandant (or whatever) , it's no longer a perfectly good planet, and is infact rather a mess. The Imperium would either have to divert a lot of resources to the planet in order to re-establish it as an Imperial world, or declare it to be outwidth the Imperium and therefore quarantene (Anyone know Batman: No Man's Land? I'm thinking that sort of thing but without the happy ending).
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 9, 2004 10:12:18 GMT -5
At present I'm keen on a number of things: Firstly, that sector borders do not change, these being an remnanet astrographic 'thing'. The name of the sector might change with changing sector capital, and the scope/extent of individual subsectors might vary... but the borders of the sector are fixed, against what zholud prefers. Secondly, the "cursed subsector" should really be something to scare your children about, not a matter of political expedience. So, yes, the Alpha Legion story has some power for me. Thirdly... I've fogotten what I was going to say... Kage
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Post by zholud on Feb 9, 2004 13:53:23 GMT -5
but the borders of the sector are fixed, against what zholud prefers. OK, I now will go and stay for an hour in the corner. I just decided that I need some facts that let me claim the head of sector. Should think out other conspiracy. And this doesn’t say that other questions raised on abovementioned thread are still valid Secondly, the "cursed subsector" should really be something to scare your children about, not a matter of political expedience. So, yes, the Alpha Legion story has some power for me. But Joe Imperium still doesn’t know about Chaos, does he?
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Post by CELS on Feb 9, 2004 14:04:05 GMT -5
Hmm, well, how about instead of Meksum siding with the Alpha legion, it was the cursed subsector that sided with the Alpha Legion? And even if Joe Imperium doesn't know about Chaos (I think he might know that there are evil forces that challenge the will of the Emperor, what with all the propaganda from the Ministorum) it doesn't mean he needs to know the truth about the cursed subsector. Maybe the Imperium wouldn't provide any information on the history of the cursed subsector, and all Joe Imperium would know would be myth and legend.... And obviously, there will be the old, drunk cripple in the sailor's bar, with no legs and one arm, rambling about the time he joined a rogue trader in an adventure in the cursed subsector....
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Post by zholud on Feb 9, 2004 14:16:52 GMT -5
Hmm, well, how about instead of Meksum siding with the Alpha legion, it was the cursed subsector that sided with the Alpha Legion? Me, as selfish bastard™ very interested in my Meksum fluff first of all. So, despite I agree that Cursed sub is better for active action on battlefields, I just more concerned with own sub ;D As to demons in Ecclesiarchy teaching one have to look up Uplifter Primer, as from what I know the subject is discussed there... or hinted to be exact.
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Post by CELS on Feb 10, 2004 15:25:45 GMT -5
Well, how about BOTH Meksum and cursed subsector? Only the Meksum subsector got out of the war in more or less one piece, whilst the cursed subsector was held tighter in the grip of chaos, and thus was laid to ruin.
As for the daemons discussed in the uplifting primer, I agree that this points to the fact that Joe citizen knows what a daemon is, put if you want to try and balance this view towards the RT (extreme as it is), I think one might say that the Guardsman knows more than the average citizen. Despite their status in the 40k wargame, these soldiers are often the elite of the Imperial worlds' fighting force.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 10, 2004 15:59:26 GMT -5
With that said it does raise the problem that people should be keen on making their subsectors integrate into the rest of the sector. I'm more concerned with the latter at the expense of the former! But with that said it seems that CELS offers a reasonable compromise which still maintains narrative interest. Indeed, perhaps more so since it necessitates a bit more detail and explanation, which I'm more in favour of! Kage
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Post by zholud on Feb 12, 2004 16:08:40 GMT -5
Well, how about BOTH Meksum and cursed subsector? Only the Meksum subsector got out of the war in more or less one piece, whilst the cursed subsector was held tighter in the grip of chaos, and thus was laid to ruin. I totally agree, but I still think that our sector capital should play an important role here too, after all it is the head of Imperial power…
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Post by CELS on Feb 12, 2004 18:19:33 GMT -5
Right! That was actually a cue for you guys to use my idea to make a proposition and drive the discussion onwards, but.... ah well So, during the Age of Apostasy, the Meksumian subsector and 'Cursed' subsector rebelled against the seat of power on Anargo, that was loyal to Lord Vandire. A huge war ensued, and the other subsectors more or less ganged up on the two rebels, who came to be loyal to the Thorian faction. I'd like to think that Proteus and the AM in Anargo kept its distance from the whole affair, but I'm not sure how the AM reacted to the heresy, galaxy-wide.... When the rebellion reached its climax, a mysterious army appeared from different parts of the sector, and even travelling in from other sectors, swearing allegiance to the Lord of the Cursed subsector. For a while, the Meksum and Cursed subsector held off the armies of Anargo... When the mysterious army showed its true nature though, and the Lord of the cursed subsector publicly announced his loyalty to the Dark Gods, the Meksum subsector immediately broke the allience, and was forced to fight a war on several fronts! First, there was the cultist army within, second there was the armies of the Cursed subsector, and third there was the Vandire loyallists. Needless to say, the Meksumian defences collapsed relatively quickly (especially the defence on Meksum itself ) The war with the cursed subsector would last for a while longer though, and the cultist army quickly corrupted the entire subsector, and dug itself in. A lengthy war followed, as the "loyal" Anargo sector was reluctant to draw too much military resources away from the Castellan front (because of those green things). As the cultists grew in strength though, the corruption of the cursed subsector grew. Eventually, the Inquisition ordered a Crusade (or something to that effect), and forces from neighbouring sectors were summoned. The cursed subsector was overwhelmed in only a few years of fighting, and not one life was spared. Thus ends the epic saga of the cursed subsector. Ever since the cleansing, the subsector has been off limits. There are some that say that everything is not entirely right in the cursed subsector, but this has never been confirmed, as the Inquisition has set a garrison guarding and patrolling the subsector. Strange as it may seem, they appear to be guarding the subsector both from the outside and from the inside+ + + Ok, maybe too X-files, but there you go. That's what happens when you leave it to me to carry the discussion
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Post by malika on Feb 15, 2004 6:22:15 GMT -5
I like the idea of having the Anargo Sector being libirated by the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade, maybe after they liberated the Emperor, or some goody goody Primarch (Guilliman really comes to mind) shows up there and takes credit for it, pissing off Alpharius even more...
Is this true?
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Post by zholud on Feb 15, 2004 14:08:55 GMT -5
Eventually, the Inquisition ordered a Crusade (or something to that effect), and forces from neighbouring sectors were summoned. I agree with such representation, but I encourage to think this greatest conflict which attracted non-sector forces as well as the basis of wargaming campaign for the project. This allows to have chaos, other SM Chapters and IG Regiments and Orks in the single package.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 15, 2004 19:10:50 GMT -5
I think that's a rather simple and effect storyline, CELS... Kage
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Post by CELS on Feb 16, 2004 15:33:23 GMT -5
I like the idea of having the Anargo Sector being libirated by the Alpha Legion during the Great Crusade, maybe after they liberated the Emperor, or some goody goody Primarch (Guilliman really comes to mind) shows up there and takes credit for it, pissing off Alpharius even more... I'm sorry, but I don't see this happening. The Primarchs were very competetive, and even childish at times, but they were still honourable, and would not have taken credit for someone elses work, I think. Especially Guilliman. I think it's quite enough that the Imperial Army got the credit for the Anargo sector, and not the Alpha Legion, to piss Alpharius off. I think so, yes. But it won't really affect anything we've decided so far, will it? I agree with such representation, but I encourage to think this greatest conflict which attracted non-sector forces as well as the basis of wargaming campaign for the project. This allows to have chaos, other SM Chapters and IG Regiments and Orks in the single package. Yep, I agree. It'll be hard to do though, as it will mean leaving a lot of the Anargo sector's history open, to be written after the campaign. I don't know about you, but I dpn't feel like rewriting heaps of stuff everytime we have a campaign. I think that's a rather simple and effect storyline, CELS... That's very sweet of you, Kage Should we proceed to setting dates then, to fit this in our timeline?
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 16, 2004 18:13:31 GMT -5
That's very sweet of you, Kage Should we proceed to setting dates then, to fit this in our timeline? Ha ha! No. No dates at the moment. I feel that the outline above gives sufficient structure that we might subsequently begin to organise a discussion as to the nature and ramifications of the conflict. It is the seed from which things will be grown and ultimately take their form, however. Some interestng questions arise out of, such as how Anargo was able to maintain it's paramount position given its siding with Vandire and the likely 'purging' that would have subsequently followed. But that's probably a minor point... Perhaps it at this point would be useful to identify the "cursed subsector" and at least begin to determine concepts which would be used to structure discussion (since for the most part structure is now present in the subsectors themselves). Kage
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Post by CELS on Feb 17, 2004 18:27:28 GMT -5
No. No dates at the moment. I feel that the outline above gives sufficient structure that we might subsequently begin to organise a discussion as to the nature and ramifications of the conflict. It is the seed from which things will be grown and ultimately take their form, however. Fair enough. As I'm sure you would say if someone posted a similar reply; Do you have any ideas for such a discussion? Some thoughts you would like to share? Some interestng questions arise out of, such as how Anargo was able to maintain it's paramount position given its siding with Vandire and the likely 'purging' that would have subsequently followed. But that's probably a minor point... I hope so, because I really don't see this as a problem. Berlin was still the capitol of Germany when Hitler was removed.. I don't think the aftermath of the Vandire Heresy saw much actual purging in the normal 40k sense. He wasn't a chaos worshipper like Horus, he was just a very bad megalomaniac. Thus, Anargo wouldn't really have to be purged, and there would be no sense in atomic cleansing or anything like that. A public execution of all important official characters would suffice, IMO. Perhaps it at this point would be useful to identify the "cursed subsector" and at least begin to determine concepts which would be used to structure discussion (since for the most part structure is now present in the subsectors themselves). Yep. Consider the discussion in the Cursed Subsector thread reopened. You're most welcome to follow your own advice and help structure the discussion
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