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Post by Verm1s on Feb 9, 2004 8:40:57 GMT -5
On the subject of the sus-an membrane and Legionnaire replenishment that was brought up on portent...
I'm not too sure about a couple of things, myself. I have no doubt that the Alpha legion recruits cultists (as do most other traitor legions, I've heard), but are you saying the AL recruits aren't enhanced to full marine-hood?
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Post by Minister on Feb 9, 2004 8:47:35 GMT -5
I certainly am not. However, I would think that the lack of imortality thing would give them (or at least the higher ranking ones) an even greater need for the Sus-an membrane, alowing their plans to come full circle without them dieing of old age in the mean time.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 9, 2004 10:23:09 GMT -5
What about hyping up the 'genetic memory' thing of the Marines as well as transmission of the progenoids? You create a 'line' unbroken since the Heresy. The preferable situation is also that the 'new' Marine consumes the body of the old Marine, and in thus doing acquring substantial parts of their memories and/or personality... Thus similar goals, etc.? Kage
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Post by CELS on Feb 9, 2004 13:51:37 GMT -5
The genetic memory is definitely very interesting for Chaos space marines, since their geneseed is so mutated. But do the CSMs have traitor tech priests or apothecaries that are capable of turning cultists into quasi-Marines?
I consider it possible that chaos Tech Priests could give cultist recruits some implants, but they would in all likelyhood be far from real Space Marines. This doesn't neccessarily make them weak. They are champions of chaos after all.
Sus-an membrane... I don't think all Alpha Legion recruits would be given this. That's why Verm1s idea with the stasis coffins was so perfect!!!
The ones that are immortal go around fixing and master mind operations, with their mortal brethren sleeping in stasis coffins untill they are needed.... very cool, if you ask me.
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Post by Verm1s on Feb 10, 2004 7:38:16 GMT -5
Hmm. The majority of Alpha Legionnaires not being full marines is kinda... sad, or something strange like that. Poor Alpha Legionnaires... Oh well. Mine not to reason why, mine but to scribble and come up with 'perfect' stasis coffins. ;D I'll concentrate on that idea then, will I? I'm fond of it myself. Something about the vampiric imagery...
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Post by Minister on Feb 10, 2004 14:20:01 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of quasi-marines. The Alphas are shielded from the worst of the warp mutations, so their geneseed should be reasonably viable. therefore all that is needed is a decent medicane with the knowlege posessed by all legions and chapters.
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Post by CELS on Feb 10, 2004 16:35:04 GMT -5
I can totally appreciate that, Minister. I don't like the idea of mere cultists in power armour either. I want to see Chaos Space Marines ten millennia old, their eyes glowing, and grass withering where they walk. Don't wan't no red-neck cultist going "Yep, gonna be one sweet fight, I reckon! *spits tobacco*"
Still, we must be realistic. The Space Marines from the Great Crusade were not any more immortal than the Space Marines of M41. According to the fluffists on Portent, not all Traitor Marines were rewarded with immortality following the Horus Heresy.
Of course, we could say that the Alpha Legionnaires of Anargo have some Tech Priests or Traitor apothecaries (though I have never heard of the latter) that make cultists Chaos Space Marines. I heard rumours that the Storm of Iron novel suggests that it is quite rare for Chaos Space Marines to recover geneseed though...
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Post by malika on Feb 10, 2004 16:39:15 GMT -5
In 2nd edition fluff it tells how the Black Legion creates new marines, the strongest cultists are rewarded geneseed and organs...I dont know if they are immortal, they might be in those caskets underway to the anargo sector.
What about that the casket is used for a marine to heal, it could still die of wounds, and maybe a dread to incase him isnt there, or he isnt worthy for that, but the Alpha Legion doesnt want to lose troops (well maybe this commander works like that)
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Post by CELS on Feb 10, 2004 16:42:29 GMT -5
Yeah, if everyone agrees with the use of stasis-caskets, the Alpha Legionnaires can "live" forever in those.
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Post by malika on Feb 10, 2004 16:49:53 GMT -5
They try to live forever, as soon as those caskets are destroyed they are mortal...sounds kinda like the C'tan in a way
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 10, 2004 17:26:08 GMT -5
Stasis devices are not zero-tau devices. If you leave a peace of fruit in it then it would go off over time. That would just be a rather llllooooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg time... Kage
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Post by CELS on Feb 10, 2004 17:30:40 GMT -5
Cool. That explains the Guiliman phenomenon, I suppose.
So you approve of cultists having access to stasis caskets then?
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Post by malika on Feb 10, 2004 17:33:01 GMT -5
Maybe the strongest of the strongest...I mean the super elite...the ones that the Alpha Legion commander chooses.
I dont even think that the commander would let normal cultist near the caskets, probably chaos servitors ;D
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 10, 2004 18:13:48 GMT -5
Cool. That explains the Guiliman phenomenon, I suppose. So you approve of cultists having access to stasis caskets then? I can find no problem against it. Kage
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Post by Minister on Feb 11, 2004 12:32:12 GMT -5
Personaly, I would say the ORIGINAL Alphas use these things. Even without the use of anything wierd they could last for centuries. If you then factor in warp travel, the ocasional gift from the Dark GOds (not to a huge extent, but a few) and a few millennia spent in stasis, then you can easily have their lords awakening to cause destruction anew, which is wonderfuly cinematic.
I belive that chaos apothicaries were mentioned in Chaos Child, and in any case chaos genitors could be found to do the job.
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