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Post by Kage2020 on Nov 30, 2004 21:26:16 GMT -5
Just to let you know about two systems that I'm working along (well, along with Academy): Gateway and Sanctuary. Just working names at the moment but there we go... Anyway, the point of Sanctuary is the "pirate world" that we have discussed at various points in various threads. It is a system that is supported unofficially by the nobles of the Anargo sector (including Lord Anargo), but is otherwise 'off the records'. The phrase "hive of villainy" springs to mind, or whatever that particular quote from Star Wars actually says... Beyond the function of Sanctuary there is no specific information on it. I'm currently looking for an appropriate system in the Anargo sector somewhere near either Archiaos, Castellan or Anargo subsectors. I have a fondness for an asteroid belt but, heck, it's al up for grabs. Sanctuary is a related system in Anargo subsector, formerly Teracin. No longer a reseach station, it's not really a significant world. It is on the outskirts of the Anargo subsector and is only included because of an accident in the Query search on the ASP Access database! With liberal hand-waving, I'm currently working on the premise that there is a stable warp route between this system and Sanctuary... Even if Gateway is a bit cliche, Sanctuary will at some point be detailed, though where to put the darned thread is an interesting quandry! Erm... comments on this rather disjointed thread welcome. Or, rather, on the subject of the thread rather than the disjointed nature itself!
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Post by Dazo on Dec 1, 2004 3:24:14 GMT -5
Well for a start what is gateway, as you don't seem to have told us so I couldn't say if it was cliche or not. Sanctuary is a pirate base I got that, but you say you are looking for a world in castellan, archaios or anargo, but you then tell us its actually the world formerly known as teracin or did you mean gateway is now the world formerly known as Teracin. And thats a pretty small world, you can't be planning to do much with it, its just to puny for anything other than a small base of some kind or a small mining operation, *Dazo looks at UWP and shakes head* not with those resources. There is no way on earth somthing that small could have a terran atmosphere, not with out the kind of hand waving the queen would be proud of. I have lists of names, so if you can't think of one i'll provide a few suggestions, I know CELS enjoys it when I do that You mentioned asteroi belts somewhere, there are two such systems in Castellan 12,36,9 - M-V - X000000-0 As Ba Lo 023 Im 000 Asteroid No resources, so the imperium is unlikely to go any where near it. and 9,40,6 - M-V - X00000-0 As Ba Lo 005 Im 050 Asteroid Also this one in Archaios 7,27,17 - M-V - X000000-0 As Ba Lo 020 Im 010 Asteroid/planetoid belt Just asteroid belts, and no resources.
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Dec 1, 2004 6:05:23 GMT -5
Mercs and smuggling and alien renegades, oh my!
Gateway/Sanctuary (whichever you described) sounds very neat, and I'll be keeping an eye on this/these threads for places to input my humble opinions. ;D
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Post by Sikkukkut on Dec 1, 2004 8:25:16 GMT -5
There's definitely a spot for an outlaw-den kind of station in Castellan - see what you think of my ramblings in the Horp's Station thread. And we'll have to either change the name from Gateway or introduce the Heechee as a local Xenos race
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 1, 2004 17:25:18 GMT -5
Dazo... Gateway was a system in Anargo subsector that was, well, the 'gateway' to Sanctuary, i.e. stable warp path from there. Sanctuary was, however, outside of all the Imperial subsectors. It is also a tad more than a 'pirate base', rather an intersection of the disenfranchised parts of society. It was also receiving the 'support' of many of the Imperial nobles who funded it in order to keep certain activities 'off the radar' as it were.
Horp Station can be just fine as it seems to have been decribed. Sanctuary was meant to be something a tad more 'organised' in terms of the funding...
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Post by Philip on Dec 1, 2004 22:25:29 GMT -5
Perhaps Sanctuary could be funded, and to a certain extent protected by the Navis Nobilite?
The Navis Nobilite get up to all sorts and engage in trade wars (sanctioned piracy between houses) so I’m sure real piracy would be on the books.
Sanctuary could be a place where the Navis Nobilite go to sort out serious issues between/ concerning the houses, far from the Imperium’s eyes. If many houses have a stake, and it was a shared resource to all houses, it would be in all of the navigator’s interests to keep the place under wraps.
If all travel to and from Sanctuary was handled by Navigators, that would also explain why the Inquisition haven’t found it, as their navigators always make excuses (also any normals like mercenaries etc. who go there, how would they know where they are, how could they find their way back once back in the Imperium without the cooperation of the Navigators?).
[As a crazy thought; perhaps the Navis Nobilite are engaged in a secret war with the Inquisition].
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 1, 2004 22:35:17 GMT -5
Perhaps Sanctuary could be funded, and to a certain extent protected by the Navis Nobilite? Fair enough. I would have said this was a 'given' since the navis nobilite has its fingers in all of those particular pies... But I didn't mention it so... <Kage cocks gun and points at head, though aiming to miss! > The Navis Nobilite get up to all sorts and engage in trade wars (sanctioned piracy between houses) so I’m sure real piracy would be on the books. Again, it's not a pirates haven specifically, although there is no reason that such unsavoury individuals could not be there... And is that (trade wars) a reference to that horrendous McNeill article that I had the misfortune of reading today? (Get-out Clause: This is probably more to do with the original brief that he was given then his ability as a writer. Talk about teen fiction!) Sanctuary could be a place where the Navis Nobilite go to sort out serious issues between/ concerning the houses, far from the Imperium’s eyes. It could be, yes. But that is not its main 'thing'. There are things that happen in the 40k universe that are not specifically related to the 'trappings' of the Imperium... Erm, which is kind of a silly thing to say when you say it like that. Suffice to say that it was envisioned as a response to the Imperium rather than as a product specifically of an Imperial organisation. If all travel to and from Sanctuary was handled by Navigators... I was actually working on the fact that it was the 'norm' for Navigators not to be used, hence the linked Gateway system. Again, though, this is partially because I want to devalue Navigators while - as we both know - you tend to want to increase their value. A common point of variation in interpretation! As a crazy thought; perhaps the Navis Nobilite are engaged in a secret war with the Inquisition. Technically, I have always imagined all of the various aspects to be engaged in a 'secret war' (Cold War-type at least, if not something a tad more violent) with the greater majority of the other aspects of the adeptus terra, etc. Again, though, this is partly because I find the specific idea that the adeptus terra is the Imperium to be slightly unpalatable.
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Post by CELS on Dec 3, 2004 8:15:27 GMT -5
The concept of the Sanctuary is obviously very fitting for the Imperium and the Anargo sector. It is important that we show that the villains and xenos of 40k don't just hang around in the Eastern Fringe, outside the borders of the Imperium.
I think there are at least two similar ideas being worked on though. Horp's station and another sanctuary-type world that I can't remember. I'm not saying that this should prevent you from going through with the idea, but it is important that everyone with a similar concept communicate and make sure that they all end up with products that are as original and interesting as possible.
As for the Gateway concept, I must admit that I am a bit surprised to see you post this idea, Kage. I had the impression that you were very wary of such things as naturally stable warp routes between two systems... It does need some explaining, in my opinion.
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 3, 2004 16:41:54 GMT -5
As for the Gateway concept, I must admit that I am a bit surprised to see you post this idea, Kage. I had the impression that you were very wary of such things as naturally stable warp routes between two systems... It does need some explaining, in my opinion. I must admit that it was a bit cliched in the same manner that I felt the Frostbringers' 'hidden homeworld' was much the same... so in that way, it is a surprise. But with that in mind, Gateway has turned out to be quite a pleasant little world so methinks that I'm going to end up developing that as well (but with a different concept). That is unless I took the rather tedious tack and made it yet another M0V. (This is ironic since it creates the same false situation that the random generation of stars was meant to prevent.) As to stable warp pathways, methinks that you've either misremembered or misintepreted some comments... or I've said something completely daft to suggest that this is the case. I'm an advocate of stable warp pathways.
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Post by CELS on Dec 5, 2004 5:49:07 GMT -5
Well, stable warp routes would certainly be useful to explain how there was any warp travel at all during the Age of Strife, and why it was only between certain systems. I think we're ready to see some more detailed concepts for these worlds
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 5, 2004 11:07:07 GMT -5
I'll develop the worlds in a while. Sanctuary, which will be called something else in the long run, will be developed broadly as very briefly outlined. Gateway, on the other hand, will be developed under another concept, probably a civilised or industrialised world since this is the current 'want' by people in the Anargo subsector.
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Post by Philip on Dec 5, 2004 14:35:09 GMT -5
Just curious: If the sanctuary is linked to via a stable warp route (that doesn’t need navigators) what’s stopping the Inquisition from finding it?
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 5, 2004 14:41:00 GMT -5
That's why the concept was abandoned. See the last post. Anyone for some spam? Spam and eggs? Spam, spam and eggs? Edit: Just to make it clear, the 'spam' comment is directed at myself! ;D
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Post by Philip on Dec 5, 2004 14:49:06 GMT -5
That’s a shame, I quite like the idea that the Navigators were up to no good, plotting from within and selfishly pursuing their own agenda. It always seemed to me that the Navigators are a very serious security risk to the Imperium, and one that the Inquisition has little power over (unless provoked). It also seems to me that the Inquisition is reliant on the Navigators, but the Navigators do not need the Inquisition.
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 5, 2004 18:52:43 GMT -5
Erm, hang on. There are two ends to a stick and you currently have the wrong holding end! (My fault for not being clearer, or yours for not reading the above post... ) Gateway is abandoned as a concept above and will be developed with another concept in mind, probably a civilised world of some description. Sanctuary, however, is still at full go... If anything I'm not entirely sure which forum to put the discussion in since technically it is not going to be in any of the subsectors. As to the direct involvement of the navis nobilite, methinks that it is obvious that they are going to be involved. It would almost be inescapable. But one thing that I will say here: I will not be limiting myself to the horrendously simplistic assertion of McNeill's with regards to the navis nobilite. I gave up power-housing organisations more than necessary when I first started gaming. Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh, but my impressions of the article - those bits that were not just copy and pasted from previous material - were very low. I'm glad that people are trying to flesh out the universe, but if they could perhaps do it with some style then it would be great. Oh, and perhaps write it originally... </b*tching mode>
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