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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 11, 2004 7:54:36 GMT -5
Indeed! Although maybe Kage should give us some direction, since he started the thread after all....
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Post by Destecado on Jun 11, 2004 8:08:50 GMT -5
I've had a thought of how we could perhaps have an interesting "fantasy" world. Instead of being on a planet, what if the world exists inside a large asteroid or planetoid. Instead of one large hollowed out interior (which would be impractical) what if it was hollowed out in a series of chambers. Each chamber would represent a different "realm" for people to explore.
Each "realm" could be a self contained biosphere. They could have different enviroments or people. the passageways between the worlds were originally access ways for maintenance or other functions. They are now spoken of as the Labrynths that link the realms. There could be odd creatures living in these corridors as well.
The populace of the asteroid is for the most part completely unaware that they live inside a large rock. Maybe it is a cult that wished to return to a utopian way of life, but were fearful of being found by the Imperium, so they created this Utopia within their asteroid.
Most have now forgetten how to work the "machines" . Machines might actually be seen as a form of sorcery. Perhaps some of the enviromental systems have begun to fail and the outer realms are beginning to freeze. This has caused people to migrate towards the inner realms.
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 11, 2004 8:15:22 GMT -5
Or maybe it's a paradise world from the dawn of the Imperium where nobles from around the sector would come to romp around in soem bizarre futuristic Society for Creative Anachronisms and do the "real life RPG" thing....but blah de blah, it was deemed heretical blah de blah....fell into disrepair....blah de blah....forgotten....
*runs away screaming before the thread consumes his soul*
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 13, 2004 4:22:34 GMT -5
<grin> It was just an idea for a medieval world that might not directy be under Imperial influence and which allowed for the potential of 'fantasy' RPG within the Anargo sector. Kind of a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Warhammer world... It would also make a nice change of pace to the various worlds thus far created, all of which have a reasonably high-standard of technology. (Out of interest, Einstein's Relativity is a "TL6" creation... ) I was also hoping that it would have made another interesting world, but perhaps not... Just wanting us to get more worlds built than the four that we have already and thought that it might appeal to someone who likes fantasy as well as the 40k universe. Kage
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 13, 2004 9:36:40 GMT -5
So, a medieval world with the outer trappings of 40k such that it is a "fantasy" setting? Depends on how much you want 40k to intrude (eg, Eldar visitations, frequency of contact with the Imperium), how far you want to stretch the credibility of such intrusions, and of course how much of the "fantasy" is generated by the world itself rather than the more traditional "chaos did it!" approach (to things like mythological creatures; eg, the Questing Beast, Unicorn, etc.; none of which are necessary for pure fantasy, granted; I just use them as an example of the "chaos did it!" mentality). Did you have something specific in mind, or is this your roundabout way of suggesting a little TL diversity? ;D
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 13, 2004 9:48:04 GMT -5
Well, a little tech-diversity is meant to be part of the 40k universe... So, I'll state as much here (though it's also elsewhere). With that said, 'mages' would be psykers. (Since I represent psykers through the use of RPG magic rules this is fine with me... others might want to represent it through psionics, but the exterior trappings can be made similar...) Fantastic beasts could be present either as various upon indigenous themes or exotic imports... etc. So basically a medieval world with a bit more of the exotic and not so much of the psyker pogroms... Perhaps? Kage
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 13, 2004 10:55:57 GMT -5
The board ate my response! Aside from eldar/human mating ( ;D ), do you have any opinions/preferences on what's currently been offered up?
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Post by malika on Jun 13, 2004 22:42:21 GMT -5
I like the idea of steam driving machines and all that...kinda like War Machine, but then a bit more primitive....Im liking that already ;D
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 13, 2004 23:52:27 GMT -5
Well, that would be the other thing to look for... medieval technology, not post-medieval technology. So no steam-technologies! Would such a world have to be cut off by a warp storm, however? (The idea of drawing from Moorcock at this point is intriguing, i.e. the world is being attacked in a personal way by a daemon...) Kage
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Post by malika on Jun 14, 2004 0:07:52 GMT -5
Pure midieval technology? so no tanks made out of wood, and weird stuff like that I mean the humans who inhabited the world, are the DAoT humans who have turned primitive? perhaps they try to rebuild their things with the very limited technology they have?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 14, 2004 0:36:12 GMT -5
While I find it interesting to include 'high-tech' gadgets, the ideas of steam-driven wood tanks just doesn't do it for me... Was hoping for a tad bit more originality then that... And maybe something that wasn't overtly military. But then again this isn't going to be a world of my creation... When it comes down to it, if it wasn't for the small scale of asteroids (relatively speaking), then I would be keen on Destecado's suggestion. Indeed, that might be something worth exploring another time or in another system... If a 'medieval' world with some of the trappings of fantasy doesn't suit someone to create then, as they say, fairy snuff... 'Twas after just an idea... ;D Kage
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 14, 2004 15:41:40 GMT -5
Steam? Bah. Just replace all "tech" with their magical equivalents (telephones with remote communication spells, telepathy, or a signal network a la Discworld's "clacks" or Souls in the Great Machine's "beams", airplanes with flying carpets and the like, etc.) and you've got a goofy medieval world that feels "modern" all the sudden (and somewhat very "Discworld," amongst other things).
But I think that extreme would probably be objectionable as well, as the very nature of "magic" in 40k makes such incredibly dangerous....
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Post by Destecado on Jun 17, 2004 7:18:22 GMT -5
What about a world where technology is outlawed? Perhaps a Neo-Luddite movement cause a jihad against technology. While I know that the luddites were not totally against technology, many people confuse their ideal enough to make it a possibility.
I am picturing something perhaps like a fascist religious state that sprung up maybe as far back as the Age of Strife. It came to power preying on peoples fears of robots and other machines that could think and which replaced humans in work. This would probably be a very crowded planet, with many people out of work and starving.
This grass roots movement lead to burings of robot factories and destruction of technologies that replaced human workers. The government saw them as little more than terrorists, but the Neo-Luddites eventually prevailed and overthrew them.
What followed were the technological purges. Scientists and other inteligencia were rounded up and shipped of to camps. Those that would not willingly give up their technology were made to do so by force.
The movement spread to other countries on the planet. eventually the whole world was embroiled in the conflict. Wars broke out with horrendous weapons that laid waste to vast swaths of land. This only fueled the call for the destruction of such weapons. Eventually almost all technology either lost in war or destroyed by the Neo-Luddites.
Without an external enemy to attack, the fascists began pogroms against their own people causing further civil unrest and more wars. Eventually the government collapsed, but the technology was gone as were most of the scientis who knew how to opperate it.
Perhaps there could have been a plague as well...be it natural or some weapon used during the war. This would have led to a die off in thepopulation. couple with the lack of technology, people would have moved out of the useless cities to the country. Maybe there would have been bands that stalked the city ruins, but eventually these would become unsafe as they fell into disrepair.
Fast forward about 20 generations, much of these cities would be overgrown or crumble into disrepair. Perhaps their are stories of a great city of wonder or a great culture that once existed on the planet. It could be like the myths of Atlantis from our own world.
Without machines, people would wind up doing the grunt work. Maybe this lack of technology made humanity develope in another direct. The mental abilities of psykers existed back to the time of the Age of Strife. Maybe to compensate for the loss of technlogy, these abilities became more pronounced.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 19, 2004 2:11:27 GMT -5
All of which are possible... I was keen on the fact that a different type of world be created, one in which another type of game could be played. (Yes, whether that is WFB or RPG...) The specifics of it are up for grabs and depends on whether someone is willing to create it or not... And, of course, there is the question of where such a world would be located. Would it have an 'alien' presence (in terms of, say, the Imperium - although it would be a new presence, of course! )? Again, I just think that it would be an interesting world if done properly and carefully, illustrating some of the difficulties and assumptions of the current 40k universe... Kage
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Post by frodo34x on Jul 27, 2004 0:16:48 GMT -5
Perhaps there could a alien races on the planet who lost most of their techno in the wars. Examples being feral orks, eldar who are more like WHFB high elves etc
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