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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 8, 2004 13:21:15 GMT -5
I'll work on a non-IE version then, and either change the front page to a version selection, or work out a script to auto-detect and redirect, or something like that. Damn crappy third party browsers without proper CSS support I'll alter the 'outside' links to open in new windows too. EDIT: ZoomDog, instead of re-pointing the domain name, why not just upload the new site into the existing space? Also: I have just realised that there will be a problem with the scrolling box on the Non-IE (in that it's done in CSS, and IIRC only IE fully supports CSS Standards). For the non-IE version, I will avoid this by not using a scrolling box and just have all of the text in the table. EDIT 2: OK, the links are done. Since college is teaching me nothing I don't already know at the moment, I'll concentrate on the non-IE version.
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Post by CELS on Mar 8, 2004 13:36:53 GMT -5
Please, Zark, don't spend too much time on the non-IE site. Make it plain and simple, for now. We have far more important things to do than worry about the handful of people who for some reason insist on using a different program than everybody else, just to complicate things. I bet they're all british too, with their driving of the left side of the road, and measuring stuff in feet and stones...
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 8, 2004 14:22:42 GMT -5
Hey, I resemble that statment! (being a Brit and all...) Anyway, the first page of the Non-IE site is done, www.dread-zone.co.uk/anargo/nonie. if looking at it in IE, the only visual difference should be that the nav bar and totd boxes are closer to the main text area, and the blue text is a tiny bit lighter. In other browsers, it should work fine to varying degrees. I think most browsers support text styles and background colours. The links and headers will lose their glowing effect (although the logo will keep it, it's part of the graphic). The main difference will be the scrolling bar, although all that should happen it that the scroll bar disappears and the text box expands to allow all the text to appear. Unfortunately, at college I have no access to other browsers, so I can only test it when I get home (where I have Opera 7 as well, and Opera is known for especially lame CSS support). Ultimately, I reckon the Non-IE site can replace the existing one anyway, no reason to have 2 sites if the new version looks the same... (it'll just take a bit longer to change colours) EDIT: The rest of the pages for the non-ie version are done. Personally, I am of the opinion that we scrap the original pages and go with the non-ie specific ones for the site. They look almost identical, and the non-ie ones should work in most browsers. The reason for going with one version of each page is that it's half as much work for whoever ends up typing up the Anargo site in full (or at least, half the number of templates if ZoomDog goes ahead and gets php or whatever working).
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Post by Rogue Trader on Mar 8, 2004 16:00:16 GMT -5
That's weird, I can't get into the page!
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Post by zholud on Mar 8, 2004 16:16:19 GMT -5
We have far more important things to do than worry about the handful of people who for some reason insist on using a different program than everybody else, just to complicate things. Nice site should be seen without any problem on any browser. Zholud, the user of Opera as well as I.E.
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Post by Minister on Mar 9, 2004 8:39:49 GMT -5
"I bet they're all british too, with their driving of the left side of the road, and measuring stuff in feet and stones... " A) I'm not the one using non SI units (with the exception of time). Blame the yanks. B) It's not my fault if the rest of the world, with the exception of sensible places like Australia and Japan, drive on the wrong side. C) Personaly I think that a basic site without any frames etc. would be a good idea. Keep it solid, that way it's easier to read with diferent programes, easier to fix if it goes wrong and easier to change.
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Post by CELS on Mar 9, 2004 9:23:26 GMT -5
LoL! Sorry about my comment on the brits. I'm sure you're all lovely people, despite the shortcomings I pointed out.
LIGHTBULB!!
Our introduction site needs a counter. You know, to count visitors! I don't want one on our "real" website, but it would be cool to have one on the introduction site, so we know how many people know of us by now! Please?
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 9, 2004 13:38:46 GMT -5
Well, the Non-IE version kinda works in Opera... the only problem being that it seems to lock the height of the text box at 300 pixels and expand to the right, instead of the intention, which was locking the width and having it spill downwards... And for some reason, the borders of the text areas go grey too, but they don't in the IE version..
Dunno how it appears in other non-IE browsers though.
Counters are generaly not worth the bother (well, free ones anyway) since a person changing pages on the site will trigger them, and you end up with grossly inflated and disproportionate figures. Well, that's my view.
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Post by ZoomDog on Mar 10, 2004 19:15:58 GMT -5
Because the existing space is being used for my college work sorry (actually I think it's empty at the moment, but files come and go often). I could probably design a counter once the site goes dynamic, but first I'd have to find out how to identify user IP's, then code it so it doesn't count the same IP twice, unless it's a different day. Hmm, that could get complicated. Sounds fun
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Post by CELS on Mar 10, 2004 19:25:42 GMT -5
Hmm, more problems with the website, Zark Lord Fenric explains why in this post on Portent. I agree that a site which works for both IE and Opera/Netscape/whatever would be best, but if it proves too difficult, maybe it's time to let go of that dream... Oh, and Zark, keep in mind that I am still very grateful for your work, even when I don't give that impression As for the counter, it was really just to get an impression of how much attention the Project is getting. Since this is just an introduction site, I don't think people will be returning five times every day. One can only read that introduction so many times before it gets slightly on the boring side I mean, if we have 300 new visits per day, we can estimate that at least 100 different people are visiting each day. So please, as a personal favour, if it's not too much trouble, I would appreciate seeing a counter (That's me being adorable, btw) If zholud still has those 50 mb of webspace, we could keep everything there, and redirect the anargo-sector.tk to his address, no?
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Post by AtomSmasher on Mar 17, 2004 4:02:34 GMT -5
A slight problem, from the advert thread on The Warp: "Minister: It looks interesting, but it was difficult for me to navigate. My guess is that this website is designed for IE browsers initially. I use Mozilla [1.6] and the tables that are setup do not display correctly. I only bring this up because any Netscape users outthere may have the same problem, as Netscape is built off of Mozilla. Perhaps you can check to see if the site works for IE, Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, etc?" I suffer from the same problem - I'm not sure what you used to create the webpage, but it gets pretty badly mangled in Mozilla.
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 17, 2004 14:32:52 GMT -5
Apologies (again) for not updating much recently, but I've been very busy with my Tourney army. I installed Mozilla, and will get onto making a version of the page that works on it. When this is done, I'll remove the NonIE directory and just have it as the front page, can't be bothered having 2 seperate versions. EDIT: OK, been working on this some more, and the new version (being uploaded now) is compatible with Opera 7, IE 6 and Mozilla 1.6. There's a bit of script which adds the scrollbar into the main area on IE only (other browsers don't support clipping and overflow tags yet, and just break). I will be deleting the nonie directory shortly. EDIT2: GAH! For some reason, going to www.dread-zone.com/anargo/ works fine, but www.anargo-sector.tk/ is horribly broken until you click on a link! My initial thought on this is that it's a problem with the domain forwarding. After a brief look at it, the tk domain forwarding is adding an invisible frameset and popping up banner ads. This appears to be interrupting the scripts on the actual anargo page. I have 2 ideas for fixes: 1- Create a 'Splash' Page to be used instead of the initial welcoming page. This would feature a logo and links to other bits of the site. 2- Ignore the anargo-sector.tk site altogether and just link directly to dread-zone.co.uk/anargo. This could be combined with adding the subdomain anargo.dread-zone.co.uk I reckon the best bet's probably #1...
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Post by Kage2020 on Mar 17, 2004 18:35:20 GMT -5
Just thought that I would say thanks for all your work, Zark. The web-page looks fantastic and I can see a great deal of potential... Kage
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Post by AtomSmasher on Mar 17, 2004 19:07:11 GMT -5
I've never been a very big fan of .tk's domain forwarding system, due both to their popups and poor quality of forwarding service (i.e. you can't link to something as www.yoursite.tk/images/sandwich.jpg - it just sends you to the main webpage anyways). DynDNS is far superior. If you really want to avoid using a dread-zone.co.uk domain, I can offer up anargo.at0m.org/, which is a little shorter. I'll just point the domain wherever you want - I can cloak it just like the .tk domain is if you wish (make the URL in the browser to not change from anargo.at0m.org), or just have it forward to wherever, just like I currently have at0m.org/ set up to forward to web.ics.purdue.edu/~ebassett/ (much MUCH shorter ^_^) [edit] I just set up the domain, even with cloaking turned on it doesn't break the scripting (so the site appears correctly). Just FYI. [/edit]
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Post by ZarkTheDamned on Mar 18, 2004 6:48:58 GMT -5
Cheers for the kind words Kage. Time will tell how it all works together when we have a lot of content...
AtomSmasher: Good job with the domain fixing. It's better than trying to sort out the TK forwarding.
Silly idea: Get the TK domain to forward to Atom's new one instead of straight to Dread Zone, see how that works.
Problem: I just checked the site at work, Mac IE 5 doesn't like the site anymore. It seems to be hiding all the content in the main area. It's still there, but invisible. I will look into this when I get the chance. I am about to test it on Mac Netscape and Safari too.
EDIT: Netscape and Safari seem to accept the site, it's just Mac IE 5 that breaks. I will check on another version of Mac IE in a bit.
EDIT the 2nd: Mac IE 5.2 seems to have the same problems. Kinda weird, seeing as how it worked with the css before... I'll look into altering the script to make allowances for Macs.
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