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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 26, 2005 0:06:09 GMT -5
Two 'art' projects have always been at the back of my mind: the creation of the Imperial Tarot and representations of the Eldar Seer Runes. It was something that I was going to run by Phillip, but he's made it fairly clear that he doesn't want to do any artwork for the project.
Of course, it would also require a significant bit of discussion before hand, but I think it would be a fairly interesting possibility.
Just a thought.
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Post by Insidious Threat on Jan 28, 2005 5:07:38 GMT -5
Well I am not too hot on the old eldar ryunes, but I do alot of simple black and white glyphic drawings. If someone could point me to good sources of reference (other than 2nd ed and 3rd ed codex/rulebook fluff... got those) I would be happy to do some concept rune sketches . The tarot is way beyond me, but using tarot IRL I would be glad to give reference to anyone PMing me about suggestions for the Greater and Minor Arcana cards as these would feature greatly in any tarot deck (IE The Devil card Being Replaced by the Empyrean card as a force of mutable change) . But back onto the runes - I do have a few ideas, but I think that the extent of my skill is drawing the symbols, not the runes themselves... Am I right in thinking that they will look kind of like cut jade/ruby/tiger's eye gems, with the rune engraved into them and with colour corresponding to the Eldar Gods (Red for Kaelamensha-Khaine etc)? In the 2nd ed. Imperialis book, the fiction of a Seer using runes had them levitating in a pattern before revealing a vision to him... Any help would be good, and any ideas for what existing runes may be used in Scrying for the Eldar would be appreciated . Sokahr out - Looking at his set of runes again...
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Post by Sikkukkut on Jan 28, 2005 8:54:25 GMT -5
Some of the old "how to paint..." guides might be handy for examples of runes, ditto transfer sheets for Eldar minis if you have any, or have friends who do. A lot of the ones on those are really quite simple, but still striking.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 28, 2005 21:19:21 GMT -5
I would be happy to do some concept rune sketches . I'm more inclined to go with the descriptions from King's Farseer and just good artwork. GW falls considerably short of providing anything useful. The tarot is way beyond me... There are, I believe, common themes included in the various 'types' of Tarot that could be readily bastardised for a 40k version.../ IE The Devil card Being Replaced by the Empyrean card as a force of mutable change)... That would be part of the discussion about them. with the rune engraved into them and with colour corresponding to the Eldar Gods (Red for Kaelamensha-Khaine etc)? There is actually no information on this, but the idea of associating them 'mythologically' with the eldar deities is not something that I've come across before. Congratulations, you are the first person to surprise me with anything eldar in many, many months. Kage
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Post by Nathan on Jan 29, 2005 7:41:11 GMT -5
'Draco' gives a few nice descriptions of the Imperial Tarot. What they are made out of, etc, how they react etc.
Shame I dont have the book here with me at UNi otherwise i could sketch a few.
Anyways.
Nathan
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Post by CELS on Jan 29, 2005 8:38:35 GMT -5
And though the rest of the novel is probably worthless (I stopped reading after 50 pages, I think), the Iron Hands book contains some information in the beginning about the Imperial Tarot.
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Post by Insidious Threat on Feb 1, 2005 4:52:39 GMT -5
Okies, i am going to have al ook through any 'reliable' sources i can find and try to draw some basic symboloy, heavily based upon the descriptions and pictures that i have come across.
I hope to be able to show you some work soon.
Sokahr
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Post by Sojourner on Feb 1, 2005 7:03:44 GMT -5
I'm certain I've noticed Eldar Seers draw the Rune of Khaine in fiction before. Other runes I recall the names of are Man, War, the Tree of Life, Truth, The Emperor, Betrayal, and the Great Devourer. Note that the Eldar use the Great Devourer to refer to Slaanesh, not the Tyranids.
Other things I recall are that there are only two multicoloured runes in a standard set and they are both very powerful, and that the Truth rune quantifies any prediction that the Seer may have derived so far as literally true, rather than potentially being an abstract representation of an unclear future. When the Truth rune is drawn it's usually bad news.
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Post by Kage2020 on Feb 2, 2005 19:09:07 GMT -5
Glad that this seems to have caught a bit of interest, even thought that it is the Imperium Tarot that is of primary interest to me. (I'd love to see eldar runes, but they would seem to be an almost complete creation rather than out of the basis of the 40k 'fluff'.) And though the rest of the novel is probably worthless (I stopped reading after 50 pages, I think), the Iron Hands book contains some information in the beginning about the Imperial Tarot. Ah, 'children' of the new 'fluff'. Inquisitor/Draco and Harlequin (not so much Chaos Child) along with Eisenhorn represent about the only good BL novels. The rest comes off as "teenage fiction", most notably the Guard and Marine books (though King's to a lesser extent). But that's OffT (I only mention it because it was raised). If you want to continue this particular ditty then do so in General. (And not on BL - they don't like the suggestion that there is anything wrong with their books! )
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