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Post by Destecado on Nov 15, 2004 9:47:01 GMT -5
After re-reading CELS original fluff for the Aoideans, I began to notice even more similarities between them and the Hosok. It may be that I was subconsciously integrating the information with my own concepts...sorry my bad. As a happy accident, the concept of the Hosok has I feel helped to provide new insights and answer some lingering questions that have existed about the Aoideans. One area of great importance to both races is how the Hosok developed from the Aoideans. Rather than trying to tackle this discussion in the existing threads, which could side track developement of both races over all, I though it best to discuss the divergence of the Hosok from the Aoideans seperately. Some of the back ground of this divergence has been hinted at in the threads Aoidean and Hosok thread, but was the scism as simple as a phylosophical disagreement (over physicality) or did it run deeper? Were all Aoideans psychically aware at the time of the Trancendance (mass suicide of the Aoideans). If not, would transcending the physical form have consigned these individuals to death? Do the Aoideans have a concept of an after life? What was the state of the Aoidean culture and economy leading up to the time of the Trancendance? was their stagnation...causing the Trancendance to be seen as a way to revitalize the culture? what was the reaction of the Aoidean government to those who did not wish to take part in the Trancendance? Were individuals forced to take part?
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Post by CELS on Nov 16, 2004 10:21:21 GMT -5
After re-reading CELS original fluff for the Aoideans, I began to notice even more similarities between them and the Hosok. It may be that I was subconsciously integrating the information with my own concepts...sorry my bad. Indeed! Drop down and give me twenty As a happy accident, the concept of the Hosok has I feel helped to provide new insights and answer some lingering questions that have existed about the Aoideans. One area of great importance to both races is how the Hosok developed from the Aoideans. The way I saw it, the Aoidean abandonded their old religions when they reached a high technology level at the same time as they learned about the warp. Suddenly, I imagine that the claims of their religion no longer made sense, and that there was a sudden secularistic shift in the entire Aoidean culture. From that time, it would be more a question of philosophy rather than religion. Yes, everyone who weren't psychically aware would be killed, I think. Aoidean concept of afterlife? Like the trend for the non-religious in our modern world, it would be very varied. There would be theories more than beliefs. Economical and technological expansion untill the excrement hit the fan. Good question. Very good question. How would a government go about doing this. I think the original idea (which I'm sticking to, at the moment) was that a religious/philosophical group suddenly rose when everything was falling into anarchy. They tried to save who would listen, and the rest simply lived out the rest of their lives in anarchy. How does that sound?
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Post by Destecado on Nov 18, 2004 16:08:55 GMT -5
The way I saw it, the Aoidean abandonded their old religions when they reached a high technology level at the same time as they learned about the warp. Suddenly, I imagine that the claims of their religion no longer made sense, and that there was a sudden secularistic shift in the entire Aoidean culture. Religious belief replaced by the scientific method...It may be that the main stream Aoidean culture abandoned adherance to a faith that by the scientific method "proved" to be contradictory. I still think that there would be those that kept the old faith alive. It could be small groups that still prayed or called on the Aoidean "gods" for aide. It is a hard thing to just give up one's faith. Granted the numbers of those that still whorshipped would may have decreased drastically, but there were still those few who worshipped and believed. The could be the keeper of the prophesies...knowing that one day the Aoidean people would turn to them once again in their hour of need. Yes, everyone who weren't psychically aware would be killed, I think. Aoidean concept of afterlife? Like the trend for the non-religious in our modern world, it would be very varied. There would be theories more than beliefs. Were those with psychic abilities trained by the state or was there another society who saw to the training of these individuals. I was thinking that perhaps one of the "philosophical" societies that still beleived in the old faith might train these individuals. The training would consist of a mixture of the old ritualized beliefs of such powers and the emerging theories being produced by the leading scientists in the field. The "Psychosciences" married the old with the new. Meditation techniques and rituals from the old religion may have found a renaissance in the training techniques used by the new psychis in their training. Good question. Very good question. How would a government go about doing this. I think the original idea (which I'm sticking to, at the moment) was that a religious/philosophical group suddenly rose when everything was falling into anarchy. They tried to save who would listen, and the rest simply lived out the rest of their lives in anarchy. How does that sound? This is a possibility. Of course we need to explore how the average Aoidean or the government for that matter would react to this group. Would their actions be construed as sedition or would they be heralded as saviors...? I think that by tying adherenets to the old faith into the training of those Aoideans with psychic powers might give us the group you are describing. This group might have hidden its devotion to the old faith till the troubles started. This would not only provide it with a power base from which to spread its message, but also it would have trained all of those that would bring about the Transcendance of the Aoidean culture. BTW, have you had a chance to read the information I posted in the Aoidean thread about how the race may have come into existance?
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Post by CELS on Nov 19, 2004 12:28:43 GMT -5
Sorry for the late reply, Destecado. The day doesn't have enough hours for me Religious belief replaced by the scientific method...It may be that the main stream Aoidean culture abandoned adherance to a faith that by the scientific method "proved" to be contradictory. I still think that there would be those that kept the old faith alive. I agree that it would be best for their religion to diminish - not disappear - and then grow back as the world neared its doom and everyone got apopcalyptic. Seems plausible. I imagine that they were educated and trained by the state, yes. And as you say (if I understand you correctly), there could be religious individuals within the academic societies that spread their belief to new students. Ah yes, that works! I think that by the time that their agenda became public, their civilisation had fallen into anarchy, so there was no government to react. The average non-psychic Aoidean could react in many different ways. Some would ignore the silly cultists that made no sense. Some would choose not to believe them and be in denial. Some would be aggressive, but not many would be willing to risk their lives to persecute these believers. Sure, there would be the angry mob and burning here and there, but overall I imagine that the religious Aoideans were pretty much ok up to the time of the cataclysm.
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