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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 26, 2004 4:38:21 GMT -5
The poll question says it all. If you feel the need to wax lyrical then, as always, please do so. Note that PPLs will need to post their opinion for this to truly become a 'valid' thread. So with that in mind, if you've voted then please post something to say that you did...  |
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 4:48:02 GMT -5
It is a cause i feel i must champion if i'm ever to have any freedom from the adeptus mechanicus and their inability to supply warp drives to the common man Really this could offer many benefits in terms of equipment that could be exploited by anyone in the ASP as squats are less worried about who posseses what technology as long as they get paid....maybe....depending on whether kage will let me get away with that sort of thing.... Edit: Yeesss well everyone's entitled to their opinion CELS i would say that i view the mechanicus with the same contempt  but hey each to his own  |
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Post by CELS on Jul 26, 2004 5:15:08 GMT -5
Oh, how I wish you are kidding, Kage. Oh man, oh man, oh man.
First of all... GW has dumped Squats. As far as they're concerned, the squats never existed.
Second, the Squats are a bit silly. They all have beards, they're all very viking-y, and they have a marvellous understanding of technology. I don't really remember why they were so high-tech, since they were just humans who lived on high-gravity worlds, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that Warhammer Fantasy dwarves have high tech.
Third, the Squats are incredibly lame and fantastically uninteresting.
(And for those of you who think my second and third argument are basically saying the same, you're right.)
Please, let's not waste time on discussing this.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 26, 2004 11:13:04 GMT -5
There are, however, people who view the Squats as something interest. I might look at, say, the orks and consider them lame (indeed I do) but still include them...
And while there are more pressing things to discuss on ASP, I don't see the harm of a bit of a sidetrack here.
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Post by ZoomDog on Jul 26, 2004 14:37:10 GMT -5
I also voted for no. I don't see the need to include an extinct race merely to provide more Warp Drives to humanity, the AdMech is perfectly capable of building them itself (albiet slowly ). And like CELS said, the Squats are gone now, extinct. Wiped out. Kaput. It's more then likely that there's going to be a few roaming bands across the galaxy, but not enough to merit a mention IMO. Of course, we could ignore GW's decision to remove them, but that goes against the whole premise of the project, it's a Sector set in the 40k universe. And in that universe, the Squats are no more. |
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Post by BrotherAnimosus on Jul 26, 2004 15:03:52 GMT -5
If we were considering to bring these guys into this sector, they would be pritty far from their homeworlds galaticly east of the core.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 26, 2004 22:50:42 GMT -5
How, could you explain where this comes from, as far as i'm concerned the only reason they are gone is because thet weren't a big enough cash cow for GW and quite frankly thats not good enough.
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Post by CELS on Jul 26, 2004 23:47:19 GMT -5
I disagree with that, Dazo. This reminds me of people who claim the records of the missing space marine legions were expunged because they fell to chaos. Well, all the other traitor legions fell to chaos, and their records were not expunged. Translation? Well, Genestealer cults never became a hugely popular army, and so GW stopped making models for those (Gone are the patriarchs) and making codexes for them. But they're still around. Legion of the Damned. Never super-popular either, and got only minor attention in 3rd edition. Still around though. The point is, even if they weren't 'cash cows', GW didn't have to erase them from 40k history. They could have kept the Squats in the fluff, and seen if interest flamed up again in the future. But they didn't. They purged them from all records And BrotherAnimosus brings up an interesting point. What in the name of Gork are Squats doing near the Eastern Fringe? The Squat Empire is in the galactic core. |
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 26, 2004 23:47:27 GMT -5
Yes, but they did 'fluff' justify this. Wasn't it the Tyranids munching on them? They might appear as a random thing but they're generally not a permanent presence anymore. And, of course, that all depends on the date of that Tyranid snack...
As I said, I personally don't care either way although one PPL and an old Voice have suggested otherwise. Not sure whether any of the others will make an appearance but, for the moment, it would appear that the Squats are likewise to be ignored in the ASP.
Of course, I could always be astounded by an argument saying that they should exist... (And, no, warp drives are not a good enough reason. As mentioned above, the adeptus mechanicus can build them!)
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Post by Dazo on Jul 27, 2004 4:39:58 GMT -5
It actually depends on which map you look at as to where the position of the squat leagues would be in relation to the ASP, i've been looking at the map in 3rd Ed 40k rule book and the second arm is closer to the core than the eastern fringe
You still havn't told me how the squats were wiped out. If its a good reason i'll let the whole thing go right now
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Post by TheGlyphstone on Jul 27, 2004 5:34:41 GMT -5
Didn't GW say their homeworlds were consumed by one of the Tyranid hivefleets? Was it Behemoth?
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Post by CELS on Jul 27, 2004 6:12:19 GMT -5
It actually depends on which map you look at as to where the position of the squat leagues would be in relation to the ASP, i've been looking at the map in 3rd Ed 40k rule book and the second arm is closer to the core than the eastern fringe No matter how you look at it, the Anargo sector is still pretty far away from the galactic core. Well, that's awfully nice of you, sir As Kage posted right before you, the Tyranids ate them. Apparently. IIRC, this was only a half-assed attempt by GW to cover their tracks, since the Squats supposedly had a great empire in the galactic core, probably bigger than Hive Fleet Leviathan (not Behemoth, Glyphstone ) could take in a single bite. |
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Post by BrotherAnimosus on Jul 31, 2004 21:01:00 GMT -5
If it was a hive fleet that shattered the Squat leagues it would have had to been so bad as to compleatly sunder their whole infrastructure or have killed so many of them that they are no longer have large enough gene pools to be a viable species. I.E. they are a dying race. Unlike the Eldar who are barely surviving as they had the foresight to flee. Squats and fleeing are not very well associated. They fought to the last I assume.
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Post by Dazo on Jul 31, 2004 23:42:00 GMT -5
Yes it is rather suspicious that a race as resourceful as the squats could be wiped out so easily, yet the imperium can take on every single race in the galaxy at the same time yet still manage to maintain the integrity of its civilisation, mmmm highly believable |
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 1, 2004 1:17:43 GMT -5
You have just found your first meeting of commercial reality and 'fluff'... it doesn't have to make sense for it to have been performed! |
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but hey each to his own 
