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Post by CELS on Jun 9, 2004 5:51:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly call it blackmail (=Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat of exposing a criminal act or discreditable information), but definitely intimidation. And ask malika points out, the advanced culture would not look up to the orks, but would bow down to their superior might, whilst the savage culture (on a different world) would worship the orks. I definitely like the idea of Eldar worshipping orks though ;D Maybe the Deceiver made them do it... Oh, and zholud- note the difference between 'guys' and 'gays' Anyway, how does the advanced human culture help the orks? Well, they obviously can't pay the orks money. Ork money, after all, is ork teeth. And gold and diamonds is likely to be worthless to the orks. Weapons is something the ork would appreciate. Tanks. The world might have some STC that would be very valuable to the Imperium, or might be one of the few worlds capable of constructing machines such as the Leman Russ Executioner or a type of weaponry for space ships. Might be very interesting... Officer 1: "Why do those orks have Executioners?" Officer 2: "They must have salvaged them after their last invasion. I believe the Archaians had a few dozen of them." Officer 1: "If the Archaians had a handful, why do the Orks have several thousands of them?" *cue scary music*
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Post by malika on Jun 9, 2004 6:20:15 GMT -5
So these savage humans would form the Ork Cult, while the other ones are more forced to work for them.
The Orks have the advanced humans pay in weapons, slaves, equipment, perhaps also luxury goods for the richer Orks (I see Nobs and Bosses come in mind here) If the humans dont produce the good the Orks need they would just die, orbital bombardment of their larger cities, or maybe Orks coming to the surface and teach these humans a lesson.
Or an even better idea, have those savage humans take care of them...let those 'oomies kill each other! The strongest of the savages survive and get to come back with the Orks. Maybe Morzkraga uses this method for getting rid of the weaker elements of his human servants.
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Post by malika on Jun 9, 2004 7:20:18 GMT -5
"Organisation"
The leadership of the humans if of course in the hands of the Orks, however, they humans would probably want local leaders, priests, etc.
There are Nobs and normal Orks who lead these savages around, the savages would see them as mideaval catholics would have seen angels, they are holy. They would look at "Da Warlord" (Morzkraga) as a God, they worship him and do everything for him.
The strongest and the biggest of the humans have the command of smaller groups of humans, for example villages or small communities of trackers and hunters.
Most of these humans would also function as priests of the Ork-worship, but most of the time they have somebody underneath them who takes care of these sort of things.
If these humans have been good and strong (which means loyal and having bashed enough weaker humans) they might be rewarded by the Orks, weapon transports for example. They humans see this as a gift from "Da Warlord" (which it in fact is) and for that they would become even more loyal, working harder.
Work: Im not sure on this, it all depends on what planet the humans would be, I was thinking of huge mines with many and almost unlimited supply or raw materials. The Orks had the savages construct mines (slave labour) and then they had to work in them...the harder they worked and the stronger they got...the higher reward they got.
Ork transports land on the planet to take the collected raw materials and sometimes also groups of the strongest humans on the planet. As a gift to the savages they give them some weapons or even more work to do.
The selection of the strongest humans would normally be who survives in the mines, but on many occassions there are conflicts between villages and/or communities, the strongest survive.
At the landing zones the Orks have "small" outposts, and on many of them there are small arenas in which the humans would fight against each other, Grots, Squigs and sometimes even Orks. The Orks bet on the fights and participate when they get bored.
Again this makes sure only the strongest and most cunning humans survive, they leave the planet with the Orks.
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 9, 2004 11:26:17 GMT -5
The Sisters could be preaching about the Emperor's soldiers coming to liberate them in the future. That was what I meant. However, since they've been living with Orks for so long, depending on how they're treated under Orkoid rule (eg, some of the Acheron Hive humans in Annihilation Squad were actually well off and considered themselves the orks' masters even though this was not the case) it might have to be a very underground movement (not accepted very well in the main) and the sisters would have to be doing a long-term infiltration sort of thing.
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Post by Lordof on Jun 9, 2004 15:28:30 GMT -5
Hmm.. A world filled with Goliath Gangers
Find fluff on them and i think we can find some interesting background for the people of the world
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Post by DesertGhostExarch on Jun 9, 2004 16:13:14 GMT -5
Why would human psychology strongly mimic Ork psychology, though? IE, bigger, stronger = better? Since humans are supposedly cunning, the occassionally enlightened group could probably emerge, especially in crowded (forested, cramped ruined cityscapes) areas where the humans could be more "feral" without Ork intervention. Not necessarily the biggest as superior, but simply the most brutal or the one who possesses the most "orky honor" and "kunning." The biggest might be used as priests and intermediaries with the orks, simply because the Orks respect size and strength, but the leaders of the humans needn't necessarily be the "biggest." And a supposedly advanced culture could "look up" to Orks...but it would require some pretty dang powerful PR control, which I doubt the Orks would be able to maintain in the long term due somewhat to their caricatured nature. And how would these humans see Ork birthing if they found an Ork "youngling"? Would they worship it, deliver it to an Ork settlement...? Would they call human reproduction as an inferior method or something? Just some extra bizarreness....
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Post by zholud on Jun 9, 2004 21:10:53 GMT -5
Or an even better idea, have those savage humans take care of them...let those 'oomies kill each other! The strongest of the savages survive and get to come back with the Orks. Much stronger savages in Africa and Americas were unable to withstand European weaklings… who lost more to tropical diseases than to ‘savages’. And from what I get you imply that ‘civilised’ ones are similar to 20th century tech or higher. I generally like the idea of the cult, but it should be polished a long time to succeed by ‘I believe into it’ roll.
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Post by malika on Jun 10, 2004 2:45:29 GMT -5
What do you mean by this?
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