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Post by CELS on Apr 30, 2004 10:18:20 GMT -5
A question came up in the Sargassos subsector forum about whether or not it was appropriate to have ork worlds in an Imperial sector. I realized that we've not yet adressed two clearly critical questions, namely; 1) What presence have the orks had in the Anargo sector in the past millennia? 2) Other than the Ork Empire of Warlord Morzkraga, how many ork-controlled worlds are there in Anargo (not counting Imperial worlds with ork infestations, of course) The Ork Empire currently ruled by Warlord Morzkraga was not formed untill after Waaagh! Tuskragga had ravaged the Cruciatine sector in M38. Untill that time, the area now known as the Ork empire only held a few Ork worlds that I've suggested would be pre-Imperial. What about ork worlds near other subsectors, or far from Imperial subsectors, or even near minor alien races in Anargo (bashing humans only might be tiresome for orks We've not had mention of any major Ork wars before Waaagh! Tuskragga, so what should we make of this? Did the Emperor's armies destroy most of the orks in the Anargo sector during the Great Crusade, leaving only a few ork-held worlds, far away from the Imperial subsectors? Whaddya think?
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Post by Lordof on May 1, 2004 7:11:07 GMT -5
I think that the Orks were pretty much destroyed from the Anargo sector during the Great Crusade.
The Remaining Orks still managed to provide a vital foothold for later Ork Waaghs
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Post by CELS on May 1, 2004 7:18:30 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. The Great Crusade lasted only a few centuries (200 years, IIRC), which means the Emperor's forces must have been in quite a hurry. I for one think that they must have focused on liberating human worlds rather than cleansing the stars of orks.
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Post by Lordof on May 2, 2004 6:46:38 GMT -5
I'm sure they would have atleast left a substantial force of newly unified Anargites to take the offensive against the Orks.
So you would have a fairly well armed force of rather well motivated troops ready to stick it to the Orks.
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Post by Rich on May 29, 2004 9:26:07 GMT -5
I would argue that any Ork worlds would be in Wilderness space and therefore beyond the Imperium's knowledge/reach. If the Imperium learnt of Ork worlds in the sector I'm sure they would either launch a crusade or get the exterminatus equipment out
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Post by CELS on May 29, 2004 14:16:41 GMT -5
Do you have Codex: Orks, 3rd Edition? There's a map on the last page showing the presence of orks in the galaxy. Quite a lot of ork controlled worlds. Do you think that these are all in wilderness space, outside the Imperium's reach or knowledge? I don't.
The Imperium obviously don't have an unlimited amount of resources. Whenever aliens or chaos gets too close, they can't just " launch a crusade or get the exterminatus equipment out".
I'm afraid that removing the ork worlds from the Anargo sector is not even up for discussion, but I guess we can explain why there would be ork worlds in an Imperial sector.
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Post by Kage2020 on May 30, 2004 1:32:44 GMT -5
One might assume that Ork worlds are present in the Anargo sector more than detailed in the "Ork Empire". Including them on Imperial worlds would be problematic at best. Including them in Imperial subsectors less so if one assumes that they lack the ability to remove themselves from the world... Of course, if they happen to be inhabited 'prime territory' then you're going to run into a whole suite of problems... I would just warn people that while we're trying to create an Imperial sector - amongst other things - that Orks aren't going to be popping up on every world, be in every Imperial subsector, etc. They're not all going to have access to interstellar travel, or even intra-system space resources, and they're not all going to be a threat to the Imperium. Indeed, many of them are going to be on worlds that are entirely hostile to human life... Thus mentioning a few worlds as being 'inhabited by orks' is more than fine. But at this point let us not begin to detail them at the expense of other aspects of the project. As CELS says elsewhere, there are better things to do with our time. (Of course, if someone wants to detail one of these worlds in addition to creating an Imperial world, I'm all hunky-dorey with that idea. Indeed, now that Anargo is finished I'm tempted to do that myself!) Kage
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Post by Tynesh on Jul 16, 2004 4:58:09 GMT -5
CELS do we have a definite date for the invasion of the Castellan sub yet or is it still 'foggy'. Let me know if you have fixed it yet. I found dates from both M36 and M37 quoted on the forum and wish to know for sure!
Cheers!
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Post by CELS on Jul 16, 2004 6:14:07 GMT -5
I've just been working on the date suggested by Sikkukkut back in the day, but this is now foggy, and one of the many important dates we need to set.
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Post by Tynesh on Jul 16, 2004 6:37:55 GMT -5
So what are the avaliable options and what are the main problems with sorting them into the timeline???
I need a date to allow work on the revision of the Massil StdRep to go ahead. Which will also allow more work on the Castellan sub in general.
Tynesh
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Post by CELS on Jul 16, 2004 11:47:55 GMT -5
So what are the avaliable options and what are the main problems with sorting them into the timeline??? The main problem is reading through all the relevant threads and setting a date that doesn't conflict with anything we've previously decided, such as the founding of the Frost Bringers, the end of the Age of Apostasy (and the war with Meksum and Sargassos), the wars with the Alpha Legion, etc. So many things to be done, and so little time
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Post by Tynesh on Jul 17, 2004 3:26:11 GMT -5
Well it looks like the Gaian Revolution occurred at the end of the Age of Apostacy circa 300M36.
The IA FB gives a rough date for their founding, although this is not correct with respects to Founding dates. It should be either the 22nd Founding Late M36 (too early as lots happening at this time) or Late M37/Early M38, (I prefer this date)
I suggest a date in Mid M37 maybe 500-700, this gives time afterwards for a chapter to be created in the correct time for the 23rd Founding.
Any Comments??
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Post by Sikkukkut on Jul 18, 2004 2:07:34 GMT -5
[The Frost bringer founding] should be either the 22nd Founding Late M36 (too early as lots happening at this time) or Late M37/Early M38, (I prefer this date) I seem to remember the M37 date was what we decided to go with, wasn't it? I'll check the other thread again. My original idea was that Anargo was effectively ork-free up until Waaagh!-Tuskragga, when orks began spilling in from Cruciatine as Tuskragga passed close to the sector borders (think of a wave slopping over a riverbank after a speedboat has just passed by). Then after the Waaagh! was finally broken the warbands it broke don into spread out in all directions, and the ones that wound up headed for Anargo made a sort of second wave. One thing to bear in mind is that Anargo has, at least in my own writing to date, never been on the receiving end of a Waaagh!, certainly not one on the scale of Tuskragga. Castellan sector had to fortify itself against a series of raids and conquest expeditions, some of them quite large, but none of them approached Waaagh! status. In fact my original plan was that there were no ork-held world in Castellan at all until that time: the orks came in from Cruciatine and attacked the human worlds at the very edge of the sector, conquered them, and fought their way right through Castellan almost to the other side of the sub. The humans, with the aid of the Silver Skulls and a reversal in the Pendulum Tide, were able to stop them there and then push them back to the world that are now the ork empire, but could never dislodge them from the sector entirely.
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Post by Tynesh on Jul 18, 2004 5:47:32 GMT -5
Ok M37 it is then....
...agreeing with you there Sikkukkut about there being no really big Waaagh! One large invasion which destroyed at least one world (Lord Zanniacs Apocalyptic world) touched at least one other and rendered Massil in such a state that it was decided to move the sub-sector capital. Possibly we can eventually come up with other large scale attacks on the sub-sector that have been repelled in the last 4000 years since the first invasion.
Small stray ork ships may occassionally turn up etc and evade navy patrols, but are hunted down and pose little threat to the sub.
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