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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 27, 2004 19:30:38 GMT -5
Hmmn... so keep the ordo sicarius separate, then. Question is whether we are going to make defined references to an 'inner circle' (whatever it might be called - I would prefer this since it keeps all the editions working together), how we have 'jurisdiction' working (i.e. the concept of the 'chamber'), etc.
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Post by Rogue Trader on Dec 27, 2004 21:16:35 GMT -5
'Inner circle' is just too plain for me, I'm afraid. Who would actually call themselves 'the inner circle', even if they do consider themselves such? Does anyone have any other suggestions? How about "Ordo Occultus" (Occultus=hidden) "Ordo Pervestigo" (to track out , investigate, search into) or "Ordo Expurgo"? (expurgo=to cleanse , purify)
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Post by Kage2020 on Dec 28, 2004 17:45:31 GMT -5
Although I'm not against any of those necessarily, one has to consider what the name 'implies' without a literal translation.
'Occultus' smacks of the occult, obviously, and shades into the ordo malleus in terms of area of specialisation. 'Pervestigo' is just me being childish, but smacks of 'perversion' or 'pervert'. And 'expurgo' seems to imply a policing functiong...
The first and the second do, admittedly, hark back to the original ordo malleus...
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 2, 2005 13:07:09 GMT -5
Just a note of interest.
BL are about to begin releasing a series of sourcebooks for each of the named =][= factions. The first in the series will be the Thorians nd is avaliable very soon.
Tynesh
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2005 13:24:29 GMT -5
<cynic> Oooh, more money spent on bad writing and a few pages of good, solid 'fluff'... </cynic> That as an aside, thanks for that Tynesh. Since I do not regularly check the BL or GW sites it is always good to get updates of what is out there.
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 2, 2005 13:33:34 GMT -5
>GW
Your Cynicism has been observed, noted, compiled and subsequently filed. Thank you for your continued support of Games Workshop and its writers.
GW<
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 2, 2005 14:09:18 GMT -5
<grin> Hey, I don't blame the writers. I think GW policy is responsible! The 'fluff' is great, they just don't know what to do with it. (Which, of course, includes taking it in directions that I don't like! Sheesh! The arrogance! ) Now the wargame? That's another matter. Fans always seem to know more about the product, and what do with a product, than the writers half the time. Or most of the time it would appear in this circumstance. I cannot help but think of the Matrix films... Anyway, enough of that.
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Post by HighInquisitor on Mar 21, 2005 15:35:42 GMT -5
In our own forum, we have a member called High Inquisitor. What the hell is a High Inquisitor anyway? You called? ;D It's an old roleplaying nick, nothing to do with 40k, I assure you. Had a character called (High Inquisitor) Sigismund Banewolf at some point. Can't remember the game though. Some fantasy... Aaaanyway... My dictionary has 'Sicarius' translated to 'assassin' and 'murderer'. Shame, since I thought it meant 'secret' or something to that effect. Oh well. First of all, in my opinion the Ordo Sicarus should only be concerned about the assasins. For many people that is "canon" fluff and changing that would raise a lot of eyebrows at the very least. Why do that when you can just as easily call it something else altogehter? Which brings me to my second point... 'Inner circle' is just too plain for me, I'm afraid. Who would actually call themselves 'the inner circle', even if they do consider themselves such? Maybe the don't call themselves "the inner circle". Maybe they don't call themselves anything. Ever watched the X-files? They had a group of mysterious conspiracists who never revealed their real names and were known for example simply as the "cancer guy" (the one that is always smoking). Imagine a group who are watching all the other inquisitors, all the heresies, all the conspiracies not to mention watching his fellow inner circle members. Imagine how much enemies they must have. In my eyes, they would probably be very paranoid and very secretive people who might know maybe one or two other members of the inner circle. New members would be invited by existing members and they would never really know who is involved in "the club". So they probably wouldn't have a very solid organization, no strict rules or procedures and no "official" name. Just make them secretive. Make them very, very secretive. Even in Inquisitor standards.
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Post by CELS on Mar 21, 2005 18:25:53 GMT -5
It's an old roleplaying nick, nothing to do with 40k, I assure you. Had a character called (High Inquisitor) Sigismund Banewolf at some point. Can't remember the game though. Some fantasy... Oh, ok. I meant no offense- I just figured you were like the many Portent members who have inventive nicknames like Lord Inquisitor, Inquisitor Lord, Master Inquisitor, Inquisitor Master, etc. Well, because it's always interesting to expand on the organisations described in the fluff, like I am doing with the Adeptus Mechanicus. Besides, I always found it strange that the Ordo Sicarius was so specialised, whilst the other Ordos are not. But don't worry, I've dropped the Sicarius idea. So I guess it would be something like this. "Inquisitor, would you be interested in joining a secret club? I'm not quite sure who's in it, though. And I must admit, I'm not entirely sure what everyone is doing either. Come to think of it, I don't even know the name of this club. Still, I think you're the man for the job! What do you say?" I like the idea of a fluid, secretive organisation with an unknown number of members. I also always liked the idea of hidden masters within the Inquisition. I'll think more about this when I'm done with the Adeptus Mechanicus!
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Post by Sojourner on Mar 22, 2005 3:57:35 GMT -5
They're not so much 'secret' to the Inquisitors themselves. I imagine that all Inquisitors know of the Ordos, but they also know that 'they'll call you'. You do not approach the Ordo; the risk of blowing their cover or upsetting someone your senior ensures that you won't get a warm reception. If they need you, they'll come to you.
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Post by Tynesh on Mar 22, 2005 17:23:29 GMT -5
I was wondering when this thread would get going again? Just been reading Ravenor Returns. + Ducks to avoid missiles from Kage+ A few interesting points in the book that 'could' be considered fluff, that is if you are willing to allow BL story bits as proper GW fluff. "Under certain circumstances, an agent of the Holy Inquisition may elect instead to carry the mark of Special Condition (Ty - instead of his =][= seal), which shall be a rosette bearing an azure sigil. This denotes the bearer to be operating alone, beyond the resources or support of any ordo: rogue, driven to independence by extremis, who will act with singular devotion, and recognise no law or master save the God-Emperor himself" So an offical title for an unaligned agent perhaps? In the novel (Trying to avoid SPOILERS) Ravenor goes super secret undercover to get the baddies, not using his powers as an Inquisitor in order to remain secret from his enemy. I quite like the idea as I can see many Inquisitors as being a stark opposite, part of an ordo and open in their approach to their operations. There is also mention of the Officio Inquisitorius Planetia (I think that is the name, not sure) Basically a planet side base of operations on a planet. I guess it is likely that large population centres, hive worlds, capital worlds etc would have these to allow Inquisitors access to information and resources etc. Maybe as a base for planetside Agents who operate solely on that planet; possible as a higher form of Police for a corrupt hiveworld or as archivists and researchers. Discuss Tynesh
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Post by CELS on Mar 23, 2005 13:41:59 GMT -5
I'm going to wait with my comments on the Ordos untill I've read that Ravenor novel. Thanks for bringing it to my attention
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