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Post by zholud on Aug 11, 2004 22:34:38 GMT -5
I second the mechanical nature of the servo-skulls. They are entirley artificial, with the exception of the skull itself. Stated in the Inquisitor book, The one that said “everything you’ve been told in the lie”  … and where a lot of stuff was done not so good, especially in descriptions? Also, the anti-grav unit wouldn't leave much room for the brain... You have to state first how large are those anti-gravs as well as to think, whether the human needs all his brain to function. For example, famous Pascal had only half of his brain working. As for harvesting crops etc, you're more likley to have a honkin' big combine harvester thing rather than an army of servitors with scythes. Less expensive and more efficient. Yep, that’s what I’ve said  As for inteligence? You don't buy these things for conversation. But you still may speak with them… and intelligence is not only speech, otherwise people with speaking problems should be considered unintelligent…  point was how universal/human-like are they?  |
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Post by Tynesh on Aug 12, 2004 4:06:20 GMT -5
I presume that most servitors will be custom made, for each individual purchase. The idea of a large production unit with conveyors of servitors being assembled doesn't fit.
On the wiping of higher brain functions - It must be carefully thought which are really not needed. Memory is important, emotions and empathy aren't needed (unless it is a compassion servitor:?), the ability to improvise is not essential in most mundane servitor types.
Since they are still human most modifications will be able to be compensated for by the downgraded brain. Ie a servitor tasked with washing a car would be able to check (either through programming or common sense) that the windows are closed etc.
On the Chaos idea. Since they lack higher brain functions particulary emotions they are unable to affect Chaos, (worship etc so no heretical servitor cults) since the warp is based on reflections of emotions etc. However they are able to be affected by Chaos, possession, puppet control etc all seem possible.
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Post by malika on Aug 12, 2004 4:38:15 GMT -5
The emotion idea...compassion servitor, I know 40k ignores the concept of sexuality because it is for younger people, but this could be an interesting concept. Servitor Prostitutes, I mean is the concept of prostitution completely gone in the 41st millenium?
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Post by Sojourner on Aug 12, 2004 5:59:34 GMT -5
Fascinating slant, malika...
Is this the sort of thing we should expect of you?
Just kidding. It's an important application, certainly.
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Post by Minister on Aug 12, 2004 6:52:08 GMT -5
I would remind that the Servitor is in fact wholly programed from datachip, and that nothing of the mind (not brain) remains (when there is one to start with).
That was not what I was trying to say, what I was meaning was that in those places where you have a means of communication (usually speach, but other means are possible, like the one I'm usiong at the moment), a human in full controll of his/her faculties (or even partial) will be able to take part in conversation. As this draws on such a wide range of different sections of human existance and a degree of empathy, a Servitor would be unlikley to duplicate it.
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Post by malika on Aug 12, 2004 10:40:52 GMT -5
Fascinating slant, malika... Is this the sort of thing we should expect of you? Just kidding. It's an important application, certainly. We want to fully detail the Anargo Sector, more than GW does, we are creating a human society in the future in outer space. I dont think that humanity's first profession (prostitute was the first real profession) would be totally whiped out. But ok...maybe this could be more incoorporated in criminal activities...perhaps prostitution is illegal in the 41st millenium  |
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Post by Dazo on Aug 12, 2004 10:51:13 GMT -5
The hell you say, as far as i'm concerned its alive and well, and to my knoledge perfectly legal, the inquisition is aware and they not bothered ref: Xenos within the first few chapters. The sevitor thing is quite ghost in a shell isn't it, weird, but hey it would be an improvement on the old Mk1 inflateable's And I applaud your effort to promote a more adult/mature veiw of 40k I would ask at what point one ceases to be adeptus mechanicus and becomes a servitor a term which is for me quite a broad tar covered brush. Are they mearly the mindless drones, often with autocannon attachment or are they also those that have been altered to pilot imperial warships or those unfortunate's who fail to become space marines but who cannotbe allowed to return to their homes so they are "altered" to serve the chapter |
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Post by malika on Aug 12, 2004 11:15:01 GMT -5
The hell you say, as far as i'm concerned its alive and well, and to my knoledge perfectly legal, the inquisition is aware and they not bothered ref: Xenos within the first few chapters. The sevitor thing is quite ghost in a shell isn't it, weird, but hey it would be an improvement on the old Mk1 inflateable's And I applaud your effort to promote a more adult/mature veiw of 40k Well...with the Imperium being quite religious (comparable to Europe a couple of centuries ago) I could understand that prostitution would be illegal. But ok, first I thought Servitors would only be used by military organisations, not as civilian items/slaves. So with a Servitor being a sort of slave, which to me doesnt seem such a great idea since normal people (eventhough it is the 40k universe) still want something more human in their house as a servant I think, the prostitution idea could be a possibility. I think you for applauding my attempt...Im not too fond of GW's direction of turning 40k more childish and simplistic, for example the whole "good guy/bad guy" thing during the EOT campaign, and the sort of making Space Marines the "goodie good" guys, Space Marines are psychotic killing machines, designed to kill, not be friendly and lovely!!! Ok...Im getting off topic now, but I just had to say these things!  |
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Post by zholud on Aug 13, 2004 0:56:07 GMT -5
I would remind that the Servitor is in fact wholly programed from datachip, and that nothing of the mind (not brain) remains (when there isax one to start with). Pardon my ignorance, but where it is said. I mean 2 things *that he is programmed *and that this is made on clearly wiped out brain, so that you have to program wholly. For me the mind-wiping is closer to amnesia as it depicted in soap operas, i.e. a person looses conscience memories but still knows how to walk, talk, etc. The control over them is based IMHO on chemotherapy – it is a pleasure for them to clean, lift, kill, which generated either by drugs inflow, enzyme therapy or electrodes in the brain pleasure centres. As for prostitution, I guess only the most twisted persons would like to have sex with servitor, as it is usually described… all these cogs, telescopic things .. brr |
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Post by Sojourner on Aug 13, 2004 3:27:57 GMT -5
Servitors don't necessarily have any prosthetics - a body is capable of staying alive on its own, it's just not useful for anything.
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Post by Tynesh on Aug 13, 2004 20:34:40 GMT -5
Agreeing with Zhould on the mind wiping, there may well be computer components for some actions etc. But they are still controlled by wetware.
Don't forget psychics will or could be widley used in wiping brains of past experiences and destroying higher function areas.
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Post by Minister on Aug 14, 2004 3:50:25 GMT -5
Codex Imperialis, P22:
"Servitors are created by the Techmarines as assistants and servants. They are weird combinations of men and machines, bio-engineered by the Techmarine to perform specific tasks. Their bodies are grown from human gene cells in vats of artificial nutrient, and although physically strong and robust their minds are blank and incapable of development or of feeling much pain. Techmarines insert bio-programs into their Servitors brains, and replace much of their body with mechanical contrivances such as huge metal claws, infrared sensors for eyes, or whatever other specialized tools are required. Servitors operate many of the war engines and other machines of war that the Techmarines make. "
Codex Imperialis, P41:
"Servitors are mindless slave machines of living flesh and metal creatures with no individual mind who obey their programming without question. Servitors make up a huge bulk of the Martian population, there are many kinds from heavy mini cyborgs to holomats (holographic recorders). The most severe punishment for a criminal is to be turned into a servitor: mind wiped and reprogrammed to perform some rudimetary function. Ex wrongdoers wear a brass plaque round their necks proclaiming their crime as a warning to all who would cross the tech priests of mars."
Codex Imperialis, P45:
"Servitors are the lowest form of bio-mechanical life - task-adapted slaves whose mechanical components are designed so they can perform a single laborious function. Because they are specifically adapted they vary tremendously: some have mechanical legs or arms for lifting, others have computer terminals sprouting from their bodies where they interface with more complex machines. Many Servitors are adapted from artificially cultured drone bodies; others are mind-wiped humans who have committed some terrible crime. Servitors accompany senior tech-priests as servants or guardians, or use their limited skills to operate dangerous machinery or weaponry."
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Post by zholud on Aug 16, 2004 1:42:22 GMT -5
I’m sure that all methods, i.e. cloning, gene cut with tube crèche and using external material are suitable for 40k and that they all are used. But bearing in mind the style, I’d say most of servitors in non-Mechanicus works are criminals, while other methods mainly used for creation of Mechanicus-only servitors. |
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Post by Minister on Aug 18, 2004 10:57:10 GMT -5
Hmemem... No. not in my opinion, anyway. If, as I would assume, the production of servitors is done on Forge Worlds, or at least worlds with a major Mechanicus presence, then it would be easier to simply grow the bodies. The mind-wiping is a specialist treatment, reserved solely for those who fail the Mechanicus, or who perpitrate crimes against it, at least to my mind (ref: 13th Legion, where one of the Mechanicus who had fallen into dissfavour had that threat hanging over him). For most people, there's not a great deal of difference between "life" as a servitor and plain death.
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… and where a lot of stuff was done not so good, especially in descriptions?
point was how universal/human-like are they?
