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Post by Minister on Apr 15, 2004 3:39:25 GMT -5
Yep. ;D Me, I like my fleet listing. I'll work on the ranks system a bit more later today, see what people think
Also pointing out that Warmaster is a combined Arms rank, which I place as equal with the Segmentum Commanders. If you wish the rank of Lord High Admiral, then it would be the rough equivelant of Lord Commander Militant.
I'm also wanting to miss out the Marshals, primarily because I can't think of any menion of them (I'm open to convincing) and secondly because they're not in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 15, 2004 7:59:56 GMT -5
Remembering, of course, that technically speaking each organisation of the Imperium is going to require it's own ranks. Confusion arises when, as Minister points out, you get a somewhat obvious cross-over when someone is going to have 'secular' with at least temporary associated status combined with a military or 'other' (non-military, i.e. ecclesiastical) rank. With regards to the posted ranks... Cool. However, Imperial military doesn't seem to be organised specifically around the ranks posted in modern military. Maybe. Something worth discussing, however. (And must admit to being biased in wanting an association of the old Roman structure, mainly for the mid-range military organisation evidenced in modern militaries were are a bastardisation thereof...) Also pointing out that Warmaster is a combined Arms rank, which I place as equal with the Segmentum Commanders. If you wish the rank of Lord High Admiral, then it would be the rough equivelant of Lord Commander Militant. Warmaster is one of those things which I've always seen as a political title as much as anything else. The serious Warmasters are something that I see as being granted through tribuneship through the senatorum imperialis in much the same way that there exist differences between 'rogue traders' and 'Rogue Traders'... and secondly because they're not in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. <grin> I haven't been able to get a hold of that book, but I'm guessing that there is quite a lot of stuff missing from it...  Kage |
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Post by Sojourner on Apr 19, 2004 10:11:58 GMT -5
Is there such thing as an amateur, part-time or apprentice Warmaster?  |
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 10:30:13 GMT -5
Well, there is that. Though perhaps I was meaning those that tend to lead significant forces. Though the definition of that is problematic. Okay, maybe the wrong chocie of word. But there should be a difference between a Warmaster raised on the 'sector' level and one that is appointed by the senatorum imperialis... Kage |
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Post by CELS on Apr 19, 2004 10:33:12 GMT -5
I didn't know Warmasters could be raised on sector-level. They are, after all, given "carte blanche to do whatever it takes to get the job done", which includes rallying hundreds of sectors, or even entire segmentae. Theoretically, anyway.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 19, 2004 10:35:51 GMT -5
Ah, I seem to remember that there was 'fluff' about someone vying for the 'position of Warmaster' in the Eisenhorn books somewhere. Sure that it was in the section where they talk about Imperial politics... at least in that subsector! If all Warmasters are given their position by the senatorum imperialis then it indeed makes the situation that much easier. Kage |
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Post by CELS on Apr 19, 2004 10:52:58 GMT -5
I don't remember that, exactly. Are you sure you don't mean the Gaunt's Ghost novels, where several Lord Generals were hoping to become Warmaster after Slaydo died? (At least I think it was Slaydo who died..)
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Post by Minister on Apr 19, 2004 11:38:27 GMT -5
I would say that the rank of Warmaster is only apointed by the High Lords, but that one must be an Imperial Guard or Imperial NAvy officer with an impecable record, and have the support of at least two officers of senior Admiral/General rank from the other service in order to be put up for concideration.
It might also be the case that an ambitious Lord might well locate a target, then drum up support from both services and, finaly, present the whole concept to the High Lords.
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Post by Sikkukkut on Apr 20, 2004 1:46:22 GMT -5
The conversation in question is in Malleus, over dinner at the Ocean House on Thracian Primaris. The crusade into the Ophidian Sector has pretty much wrapped up, and the conversation is about whether the Lord Militant who led it will be able to build on the triumph and manage to have himself made Warmaster. The discussions of the interlocking patterns of patronage and inter-Adeptus and intra-nobility politicking make it clear that there are (or at least can be) more to obtaining the office than simple military merit.
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Post by Kage2020 on Apr 20, 2004 12:01:02 GMT -5
That's probably what I was thinking about... I probably remembered it because of what appeared to be a manifestation of patronage ala the Roman model. But ah well... Kage |
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Post by Brusilov on Jul 1, 2004 5:33:14 GMT -5
IIRC, as the man led a Crusade wouldn't he already be a Warmaster (Warmaster=supreme commander of all forces within an Imperial Crusade), and the discussion was about whether he could use his successes to climb the ladder further and then return the favour to people who pushed for his commission as Warmaster.
And in one of the first posts, Minister mentioned that to him the Master of the Administratum was the highest ranking member of the Adeptus Terra (and the most powerful man in the Imperium bar the Emperor himself).
I strongly disagree with it. He is nothing more than the biggest paper pusher and pencil sharpener in the galaxy but holds little political power in his own right.
Although he supposedly commands the Munitorum and hence the Imperial Guard and the Navy, he can do little.
I mean if he wants to get a Crusade launched he has to get his fellow High Lords to agree. He might sign the decree in the name of the Senatorum Imperialis but he did not take the decision on his own.
The supreme political structure of the Imperium is the politburo, I mean the Senatorum Imperialis and probably among those its president/speaker/moderator which would not necessarily be the Master of the Administratum. IMO such position would lead to the largest about of backdoor policy in the galaxy ever as IMO this person would have the ability to set the order of the day for discussions and propose motions for voting, a mainly procedural power but that's where the real power lies
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