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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 4:12:59 GMT -5
Post by Raider on Mar 8, 2004 4:12:59 GMT -5
My first world *sniff* I'm hoping no ones taken this already...
UWP stats
22/21/12 - M-V - B46188C-6 S 802 IM 330Star port: B
Star: M-V My knowledge of stars is lacking, what does this mean?
Size: 4 Small Guide says around 4,800km which is about a third of the size of Terra, so it's going to be a bit crowded down here. This will also make it a bit warmer (I think).
Atmosphere: 6 Standard Well at least I dont have to use rebreathers
Hydrosphere: 1 Dry World (10%) Ouch, this is an interesting one. This means it's going to be hot and dry. On the bright side, more land for cities
Population: Moderate (Hundred Millions) Civilised world size, although since the world is much smaller than normal it might be high for the size
Law level: 8 High Law Guide says "Blade weapons controled; no open display"
Government: C Charismatic Oligarchy Interesting, it's damn hot, there's no water, relatively high law, crowded and yet the Oligarchy can maintain high levels of popularity.
Tech level: 6 So 1930's to 1950's (are we using TTL or GTL). I'd like higher, but we'll see.
Trade Codes: Star ships Hmm tech 6 and Star Ships, this may require some careful thought
Pop Multiplier: 8 800 million people on a small world with minimal water, starting to sound like Mordia
Planetoid Belts: 0
Gas Giants: 2
Life Value: 3 Multi Cellular Fits with the lack of water
Resource Value: 3 Poor No mining, which raises the question of why it was settled in the first place
Export: 0 Nothing
I'm not sure if I read the world data right, but I'll post my ideas tomorrow.
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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 5:50:42 GMT -5
Post by zholud on Mar 8, 2004 5:50:42 GMT -5
Star: M-V My knowledge of stars is lacking, what does this mean? This means cold old star, only the closest planet could be habitable, but even then you may have minus 10 degrees Celsius on equator. There are some solutions described by me elsewhere, so if you get some cold planet, call me And what the name means? I love meaningful names...
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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 9:29:08 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2004 9:29:08 GMT -5
My first world *sniff* I'm hoping no ones taken this already... I don't think that is going to be a problem... Star: M-V My knowledge of stars is lacking, what does this mean? As zholud later says, it is going to be a cold star. The problem is that main-sequence M-type stars (red) are just incredibly common. The original premise of the ASP was to locate the subsectors by the density of G- and K-type stars, those that are more likely to prouce Terra-like temperatures. In the rush - rather, the demand - to get things moving the subsectors were identified by specific criteria revolving around the 'capital world', whatever that might be... However, if a world is too cold then the ASP guidelines allow for a change in the star type, but only if it really does ruin the 'concept' of a world. If the M-type doesn't work, then think about a G-type, but one of the colder ones... Size: 4 SmallGuide says around 4,800km which is about a third of the size of Terra, so it's going to be a bit crowded down here. This will also make it a bit warmer (I think). The temperature is primarily determined by the atmosphere and the star... Hydrosphere: 1 Dry World (10%)Ouch, this is an interesting one. This means it's going to be hot and dry. On the bright side, more land for cities There is that... although seemingly more likely to be tundra based upon the M-type star. Population: Moderate (Hundred Millions)Civilised world size, although since the world is much smaller than normal it might be high for the size It should be fairly easy to do some land-surface calculations just to see what the population density is. Government: C Charismatic OligarchyInteresting, it's damn hot, there's no water, relatively high law, crowded and yet the Oligarchy can maintain high levels of popularity. Yep... and the government is open enough that this can be seen as direct rule by the Imperial Commander or something else... Tech level: 6So 1930's to 1950's (are we using TTL or GTL). I'd like higher, but we'll see. TTL is used at present. Remember, however, that the TL is just a broad guideline from which general assumptions can be drawn. It does in no way relate to introduced specifics. You might also want to check out the Guide and the explanation of how TL can be ignored even within the TTL system... Trade Codes: Star shipsHmm tech 6 and Star Ships, this may require some careful thought Erm, there are no trade codes. The "S" refers to a 'Scout base'... Resource Value: 3 PoorNo mining, which raises the question of why it was settled in the first place [ Yes, it does. I'm not sure if I read the world data right, but I'll post my ideas tomorrow. Mostly right! I'm sure that you're not going to have too much of a problem with population density, etc. Kage
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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 12:08:22 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Mar 8, 2004 12:08:22 GMT -5
I hate to put all this good work to waste, but would you consider finding another planet, perhaps one with a G or K class sun, which are hotter. M-V suns are very, very cold, which means there will only be one planet in the system that is hot enough to support life, if that. They also seem to have fewer planets than most stars, and like many other M-V systems, yours does not have any other planets than the mainworld.
We already have a lot of colonised M-V systems, so since it seems you didn't have a specific concept for a world in mind, perhaps you would consider looking for interesting G-V or K-V systems?
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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 18:45:14 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Mar 8, 2004 18:45:14 GMT -5
Although remember the above information about changing the star type... Kage
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Maeros
Mar 8, 2004 19:24:22 GMT -5
Post by CELS on Mar 8, 2004 19:24:22 GMT -5
Sure, but you specifically said that this was only when there was no other option, no other way out. And just picking another world is another way out
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Maeros
Mar 9, 2004 10:24:35 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Mar 9, 2004 10:24:35 GMT -5
Yep, there is that. I just remember the fact that the subsectors could not be defined in the way that I wished them defined, something which would be solving the 'chill' factor that we're currently experiencing... Kage
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Maeros
Apr 27, 2004 18:05:10 GMT -5
Post by Raider on Apr 27, 2004 18:05:10 GMT -5
Returning to this after a long abandonment
Really I cant see much reason for iniatial settlement of the world. I dont want to create a 'parasite' world since I suspect the Imperium would have abandoned it long ago.
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Maeros
Apr 28, 2004 3:56:46 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Apr 28, 2004 3:56:46 GMT -5
Rather than abandon it, why not change the star type... save all the trouble. K-class maybe. Colder than our sun, but a tad on the warmer side than M-class. Of course, if you want to monkey around with things, a binary system could also be useful to play with... There rae a lot of options available other than abandonment. When it comes down to it and with hindsight, I'd rather people racked their mind for reasons why it would work and then change it when nothing springs to mind than have them abandon it... Kage
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Maeros
Apr 28, 2004 23:40:49 GMT -5
Post by Raider on Apr 28, 2004 23:40:49 GMT -5
Ok, some ideas here;
First off, the planet has been settled for a short time, perhaps only one or two thousand years. Original settlers were refugees from (insert trouble spot). Technological base is minimal, but the upper classes and PDF have access to more advanced technology.
Control is vested in a Council with 6 members. The head of the council is the Imperial Commander. Generally son succeeds father, but under exceptional circumstances another will be elected. For members I'm thinking hereditary Nobles, the senior Governmental advisor and maybe a business leader. At present the council enjoys the confidence of the people, but this can change overnight.
The PDF is of moderate size and well equiped. It is reasonably mechanised (since we have large, open deserts). The PDF Commanders have long campaigned for a seat on the Council and is relatively independant of the civilian Government. The Imperial Commander and the head of the PDF have butted heads on numerous occasions, resulting in a high turnover rate of senior Generals. The senior officers tend to support their chief to the hilt in public, even if they personally disagree with his ideas.
I believe it will be necessary to import water and possibly food, although from where and why are up in the air. I'll do the second part of the planet generation when I'll feeling better.
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Maeros
Apr 29, 2004 12:28:54 GMT -5
Post by Destecado on Apr 29, 2004 12:28:54 GMT -5
One thing you may wish to consider is placing the planet as a moon of one of the gas giants in close orbit to the primary star. It could perhaps have been the beginnings of a bianary system. If you look at our own solar system, Jupiter is just a fraction too small to be a sun. Having the planet orbiting the gas giant would also increas its warmth as it would receive some radiation heating from the gas giant as well as an increase in tidal forces. The information on the folowing link will provide further information on the Jovian moons and the interesting effects caused by proximity to the large gas giant. csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jovian_moons/jovian_moons.html
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Maeros
Apr 29, 2004 18:28:58 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on Apr 29, 2004 18:28:58 GMT -5
Funnily enough after our recent discussions on brown dwarfs, I was actually thinking that when I wrote the post above... It would also create some rather funky imagery which would be perfect for the project artists. Kage
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Maeros
May 25, 2004 20:25:10 GMT -5
Post by Raider on May 25, 2004 20:25:10 GMT -5
Extended System Generation
Star changed from M-V to K-V
System Nature: Solo Maeros: K5V Maximum Orbits: 7 Orbit Zones: 0 Habitatable, 1+ Outer Empty Orbits: Yes, orbits 3 and 4 Gas Giants: Orbit 1 and Orbit 6 Planetoids: None Mainworld: Orbit 0
Overall Orbit Details 0-Mainworld (Maeros I) 1- Gas Giant (Maeros II) 2- Planetoid (Maeros III) 3- Empty 4- Empty 5- Planetoid (Maeros IV) 6- Gas Giant (Maeros V) 7- Planetoid (Maeros VI)
Maeros II Large Gas Giant 10 1-R000 2-R000 4-6672 5-2000 9-2000 10-4000 12-4000 15-5000 35-S000 45-3000 Maeros III 60330 Maeros IV 20000 Maeros V Small Gas Giant Maeros VI 82003 5-S000 8-S000 45-S000
Will do more when I have time.
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Maeros
May 28, 2004 2:16:14 GMT -5
Post by CELS on May 28, 2004 2:16:14 GMT -5
Maeros II Large Gas Giant 10 1-R000 2-R000 4-6672 5-2000 9-2000 10-4000 12-4000 15-5000 35-S000 45-3000 What does all this mean?
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Maeros
May 28, 2004 6:06:35 GMT -5
Post by Kage2020 on May 28, 2004 6:06:35 GMT -5
They're the incomplete statistics for satellites around the gas giant... If you check out the "Example" document which details the creation of the Extended System Generation of Anargo (and soon the complete World Generation and Standard Representation of the system and the mainworld of Anargo itself!), you'll note that I do the same although include -R000----. or something like that, with each hyphen indicating the absence of a statistic that will be generated at a later stage. Kage
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