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Post by Dazo on Dec 10, 2004 11:23:41 GMT -5
I was thinking it might be good to have a strong physical appearance between the more affluent and the miners. Something along the lines of creamy skin fair complexions and soft hair for the well off and a tanned weather beaten look for those who have to work outside or ply the wide oceans. This would depend on how high up the spire you lived(which would correspond to social status. But I don't want it to be a case of the workers being looked down on, well except maybe by the very high ups, but then they look down on everyone.
Also I am having the same issues with corionis that I did with gygon, the year is to damn short, would you mind if I increased it a little Also what type/size of military presence would I need, is sargassos particularly war torn.
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Post by Destecado on Dec 14, 2004 15:54:39 GMT -5
I was thinking it might be good to have a strong physical appearance between the more affluent and the miners. Something along the lines of creamy skin fair complexions and soft hair for the well off and a tanned weather beaten look for those who have to work outside or ply the wide oceans. This would depend on how high up the spire you lived(which would correspond to social status. But I don't want it to be a case of the workers being looked down on, well except maybe by the very high ups, but then they look down on everyone. Yes, this sounds great. The way we've been describing the planet, sun block is going to be a necessity of life. Actually, there could be a trend among the middle class to try to emulate the upper class. They of course can't always keep their skin creamy white...depending on their industry, but creams or skin treatments could be used to create the illusion of a "healthy" palor. It would be like the goth culture today (makeup wise), less all the morbid and moody music. If not the goth movement, maybe like the women of 18th Century Europe, who attempted to achieve the complexion of porcelain dolls. They used a whitening agent composed of carbonate, hydroxide, and lead oxide. These compounds were of course toxic, building up in the body causing many physical problems (such as muscle paralysis). The inhabitants of Theta Corionis probably have less hazardous methods of achieving the same effect. Also I am having the same issues with corionis that I did with gygon, the year is to damn short, would you mind if I increased it a little Also what type/size of military presence would I need, is sargassos particularly war torn. No problem on changing the year. With regards to military presence...it is up in the air at the moment, pending a better definition of the status of the worlds in the Sargassos Subsector. You may want to weigh in on the discussion about this taking place in the Meta-Concept Forum (Age of Apostasy thread).
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Post by Dazo on Dec 14, 2004 16:35:34 GMT -5
Glad you liked the idea It should be easy enough to insinuate, you might also have the upper class imitating the lower class and slumming it, they might veiw that as a very romantic idea. Yes like the french women with big wigs and construction grade make up. Masks might be yet another way to go with that, diffeent spires might have different means of acheiving the desired look. Good. I was just watching stargate atlantis, and they had an interesting idea, planet spanning storms. Apparently if you have no land to slow them down, hurricanes just get bigger and stronger, this could definatly have a place here. So I'm thinking at certain times of the year the planet is off limits, and anyone on the planet had better have some where to shelter. The less I have to bother with this the better as far as i'm concerned, I always run into trouble with my armies, there to big, there weapons are to cool, they are trained....I'd be happy with Corionis is an imperial protectorate and as such has no armed forces of her own.
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Post by CELS on Dec 15, 2004 12:10:59 GMT -5
Military presence needed? No more than on any other Imperial world, I'd say. There are no imminent threats in the Sargassos subsector. If anything, it might be especially safe, what with all the Imperial Navy patrols and all.
This is a hiveworld, mind you, and those are typically heavily defended. Orbital weapon platforms, PDF space ships and orbital minefields are to be expected.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 15, 2004 12:22:45 GMT -5
I lie that idea alot.
Yes the basics, where do arbites come in then, There is no real land mass for the PDF to defend, so might not the role of arbite and PDF be combined somehow. Would the main world raise PDF troops for the other worlds in the system, as you pointed out it is a hive world so it would have plenty of people to spare.
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Post by CELS on Dec 15, 2004 12:30:00 GMT -5
Yes the basics, where do arbites come in then, There is no real land mass for the PDF to defend, so might not the role of arbite and PDF be combined somehow. I don't think so. Arbites are never meant to be PDF. They are like the FBI, in a way. They enforce Imperial law while making sure that the world's government, PDF or civilians don't do anything heresy-like. I think there's a thread about this in the Imperium forum, if you want to learn more. Otherwise, do some googling This world is very valuable, so it would have a huge PDF. Sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 15, 2004 12:40:59 GMT -5
Ahh right thats much clearer, well then they would be in the upper spires or even have a central command structure suspended between spires, Central command, yes I do like that. So is it alright if I use the PDF as a police force then, as there would be no way the arbites could cover the whole city. Or at least some of the PDF could be on Civil duties.
And i'll have Expiditionary PDF for off world duties.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 18, 2004 10:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by CELS on Dec 18, 2004 11:02:29 GMT -5
Normally, I like the pictures you post of planets, Dazo. This time around, I don't like it at all. First of all, I expected Theta Corionis to have a very interesting colour because of the living crystal formations and what not. Second of all, the moons look like utter clones of the mainworld itself. Shouldn't they be total ice balls, thanks to their thin atmosphere? I hate to be negative, but I just feel that you can do better
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Post by Dazo on Dec 18, 2004 11:10:37 GMT -5
No thats a fair comment, theres no point sugaring the pill if its no good, and to be honest I do agree with you...up to a point. I did think of trying to use more colour but there are limits to what can be acheived using that program, however I shall try again. Oh and the moons are habitable and warm
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Post by CELS on Dec 18, 2004 11:38:19 GMT -5
Oh, I see you have generated a situation similar to the Ork capitol, with enormous satelites. Seeing how these orbit Theta Corionis fantastically fast (less than a day for one moon), have you considered the seismis stress this would cause? Because I don't think H&E does.
Actually, do you know what speed the satelite needs to achieve this orbit? 3.632 billion kilometers per hour (34,000 * 34,000 * 3,14). I'm not sure if Theta Corionis has sufficient mass to trap a satelite with that size, moving that fast.
The H&E seems good and all, but we can't really trust it without question. Of course, I'm no astronomer, but this seems odd.
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Post by Dazo on Dec 18, 2004 11:50:31 GMT -5
Well its good enough for the basics, the rest we just have to use our common sense on so I would just change the orbital speed. Absolute zero doesn't seem to exist in heaven and earth either, i'm pretty sure -247 degrees C is the coldest you can get, but on H&E you get temps as low as -300 degrees C. And hows this look.
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Post by CELS on Dec 18, 2004 11:55:51 GMT -5
The picture is about a thousand times better.
As for changing the orbital speed... well.. yeah, but to what? Should we just apply our limited 'common sense' whenever the numbers seem wrong?
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Post by Dazo on Dec 18, 2004 12:00:41 GMT -5
Not ours, Destecado's, he knows everything ;D but yes why not, if something is clearly not right then we change it for example temperature, we know the base limit so thats easy enough. And orbital speed, as you yourself just showed, can be reigned in to obey the laws of physics should they need to be, to be honest those are the only 2 things that tend to throw a spanner in the works
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Post by Destecado on Dec 20, 2004 11:46:41 GMT -5
Not ours, Destecado's, he knows everything ;D but yes why not, if something is clearly not right then we change it for example temperature, we know the base limit so thats easy enough. And orbital speed, as you yourself just showed, can be reigned in to obey the laws of physics should they need to be, to be honest those are the only 2 things that tend to throw a spanner in the works I try my best...I've always thought that the UWP was severly limited when it comes to the orbital mechanics of planetary satellites. I'll run a couple of calculations and see what I can come up with. On a different topic, I was looking at the map and only see the main hive listed. I thought we had discussed drift colonies made up of the flip platforms or large barges (or other structures). Are only permanent structures listed on the map or were these other small floating cities accidently omited? Since the Arbites are more like the FBI, should we generate a PDF or security force to keep the peace in the towers. Since the planet is an oligarchy, maybe the PDF is an outgrowth of the planet's original corporate security force. Rather than being a seperate organization like an ordinary military, they are more like a subsidiary or seperate division of the corporation...Perhaps they also see duty as a mercenary army. The link below is to an interesting article on corporate funded armies for hire. 207.44.245.159/article3394.htm
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