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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 17, 2004 4:34:18 GMT -5
Yes, you can find that in the artwork forum, I think. Or was it the website... Anyway, I'm afraid it's very hard to use the current map to see where things are, because the map is very small, and all the Imperial worlds are unnamed dots. I guess it would be fairly easy to do a simple 2D map, if a bit time-consuming... Do we have a listing of total systems in the sub-sector (I didn't see one so far in searching)? I could generate a 2-D sub-sector map as time allows.
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Post by CELS on Jun 17, 2004 4:47:17 GMT -5
Not this subsector, but we do have the list of the other subsectors, in the respective subsector forums.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Vatsyayana on Jun 17, 2004 4:50:07 GMT -5
Not this subsector, but we do have the list of the other subsectors, in the respective subsector forums. So, do we need one then? If so, should it be a sparse sector with a rift as part of the reason for the curse? CELS' edit: The discussion is taken off forum, via PM, to avoid more one-liners..
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Post by Destecado on Jun 17, 2004 5:21:35 GMT -5
The following is a list of the systems and other features that appear in the Sargassos Sub-Sector.
Astrographical features of the Cursed Subsector 5,49,41 - Grey dwarf 5,50,42 - M-V - A8A0433-D De 714 Im 0B0 5,50,43 - Lost Planet (gas giant) 5,52,43 - M-V - A65A562-B S,N Ag Wa 702 Im 5B5 5,54,42 - G-V - B442221-8 S,N Lo 300 Im 040 6,48,45 - M-V - X636000-0 Ba Lo 023 Im 150 6,49,43 - K-V - D46297B-4 S Hi 823 Im 620 6,50,42 - M-V - A531879-C 212 Im 85(30) 6,50,46 - G-V - A883A87-B Hi 320 Im 9B(23) 6,51,46 - G-V - A5747AC-B Ag 802 Im 265 6,51,47 - M-V - B512221-A N Ic Lo 404 Im 070 6,52,45 - M-V - X223000-0 Ba Lo 005 Im 410 7,48,43 - M-V - X403000-0 Ba Ic Lo Va 003 Im 050 7,50,44 - G-VI - D440100-7 De Lo 803 Im 040 7,51,43 - K-V - D261679-6 S 203 Im 020 7,51,47 - A-V 7,52,43 - M-V - C444497-8 503 Im 340 7,54,46 - M-V - X333000-0 Ba Lo 004 Im 110 8,49,40 - M-V - X110000-0 Ba Lo 004 Im 000 8,50,45 - K-V - X300000-0 Ba Lo Va 014 Im 030 8,50,46 - G-V - B4449EG-6 N Hi A404 Im 230 8,51,42 - M-V - X571000-0 Ba Lo 002 Im 350 8,54,45 - Lost Planet (gas giant) 9,49,42 - M-V - A443665-B S 913 Im 130 9,49,43 – D 9,49,45 - M-V - X200000-0 Ba Lo Va 023 Im 030 9,49,46 - M-VI - B628585-A S,N 305 Im 230 9,51,43 - O-V 9,53,44 - Lost Planet (terrestrial) 10,49,41 - M-V - D466684-5 Ag 703 Im 051 10,50,43 - M-V - X100000-0 Ba Lo Va 013 Im 010 10,50,45 - M-V - D2529B7-8 Hi 803 Im 110 10,51,46 - M-V - D799432-8 604 Im 070 10,53,41 - M-V - A667630-B S Ag 224 Im 030 10,54,41 - M-V - X100000-0 Ba Lo Va 002 Im 000 11,48,40 - M-V - B543400-A S 622 Im 730 11,54,40 - M-V - B8DA558-D S Wa 303 Im 57(26) 11,54,41 - M-V - C251112-6 Lo 900 Im 120 12,48,46 - M-V - X300000-0 Ba Lo Va 000 Im 020 12,48,47 - M-V - X220000-0 Ba De Lo 003 Im 120 12,49,47 - F-V 12,50,46 - M-V - A673773-9 S 503 Im 165 12,51,41 - F-V - C878521-8 S Ag 424 Im 151 12,53,47 - Lost Planet (terrestrial) 12,54,41 - M-V - X420000-0 Ba De Lo 023 Im 060
5,51,42 - M-V - A5918BC-B S 404 Im 910 Is currently being worked on (See Dakar Prison World Thread).
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 18, 2004 12:05:04 GMT -5
Destecado... Since the moving of Sargassos does make sense in this case, where would you prefer it moved to? Consider that the Heart is at 30,30,30... Given the dimensions of the Sargassos Gulf, where would you like the 'centre' of the subsector to be? I think it would be best to be removed from the Heart (which is undefined in terms of extent at the moment, remember) by, say, 5-7 parsecs... It only need by distant from that by 1+ parsecs, however. (I think it's a bad idea for them to be directly joining and, indeed, not necessarily consistent with the imagery of the Heart...) I would also say that, unless you've specifically designed a number of worlds based around the current UWPs, that we simply replace them with the worlds currently resident at the new location. In the case of Dakar, obviously, I'll simply transpose the world. I'd just rather not do that for all of them... And you never know, you might end up with some really cool astronomical phenomenon!
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Post by Destecado on Jun 19, 2004 2:45:17 GMT -5
5-7 parsecs sounds reasonable. Would this make it necessary to move one of the other subsectors or are we just moving it into an otherwise unoccupied spot? If we are going to have to move one of the other subsectors, we might want to run it by whom ever is that subsector's manager, but I leave the matter up to your discression.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 19, 2004 3:05:59 GMT -5
Erm, the Heart of Anargo is empty. That's partially when the concept came up for discussion, i.e. as a way of giving reason that the middle was empty! Nothing is going to be moved. You're just going to lose all the stars that you have thus far and acquire a new bunch. If you have any worlds that you're developing then let me know so I can transpose them with the nearest equivalents. I doubt that you're going to get such a lovely cluster of G-class stars, however, but this is the price that you pay for movement!
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Post by Destecado on Jun 19, 2004 3:21:52 GMT -5
Not having G class stars has never really bothered me. the only system that has really been defined up to this point is Dakar. I find myself working on worlds outside of the subsector (such as Sistina) at the moment. For the most part I was waiting until we have resolved this issue before proceeding further on developing worlds in the Sargassos Subsector. So there should not be any problem with changing the UWPs.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 19, 2004 3:48:01 GMT -5
Well, G-class stars sholud be one of the first places for colonists to stop. Assuming that there is an appropriate world there the conditions are more likely to be favourable than those around the colder M-class stars...
But fair enough. I shall centre the subsector on a point 9-10 parsecs from the 30,30,30 such that you stars listed for 3 parsecs in each axis on each 'side' (+ and -). We have not yet decided a 'direction' for the current that interacts with the Heart, and that would seem to have an impact upon the new location of Sargassos (i.e. being 'orthogonal' to the direction of the current).
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Post by Destecado on Jun 21, 2004 2:44:49 GMT -5
The direction of the current and how they move is still a sticking point. Perhaps we should reveive the warp Routes and Currents thread to discuss this issue. I am of the opinion though that the main warp currents would flow counter spinward of the galactic rotation down the galactic arms towards the center.
This of course would not be a straight line, but would wind and bend between the various Astronomical bodies and warp phenomenon. Of course we also have to remember that we are talking about a three dimensional enviroment, so we have to descide if this will effect the current.
We also need to discuss if there are differing types of currents in the warp. In our oceans, there are warm water currents and cold water currents. The temperature of the water as well as other factors effect the speed and depth at which these currents run. I think we need to descide if such factors or variable exist for warp currents or if the are just "warped" by interstellar and warp phenomenon.
This duscussion has also brought up an idea for the Pendulum tide, which I will post in that thread.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jun 28, 2004 0:19:36 GMT -5
General Trends of Warp Currents... Why do they take those directions, out of interest? In your interpretation that is... Different Types of Currents... Two obvious ones suggests themselves. Those that are created as a 'natural' product of the warp - the 'harmonious warp', if you will - and those that are a result of the canker of Chaos. (I love that term... 'canker of Chaos'.) Anyway those are just the most obvious ones and potentially analogous to your 'hot' and 'warm' currents. Obviously to this one would add variations in 'depth', taking you from the 'shallow warp' to the 'deeper warp' (for me basically constrained by the manifold spaces) and all that is encumbant on that concept (i.e. the fact that it is kind of daft for 3d space! ), etc. The manifold spaces are themselves a shifting form of thermocline.. well, sort of. But methinks that these would also exist, though whether they would have defined borders, etc., is up for grabs (doubtful, but there we go). Hmm... I'm going to leave it at that for the moment.
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Post by Destecado on Jul 2, 2004 7:34:32 GMT -5
General Trends of Warp Currents... Why do they take those directions, out of interest? In your interpretation that is... While working on the concept of warp currents, I think I might have had a break through on a concept for warp space. I posted the information here. Let me know what you think.
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Post by Destecado on Jul 27, 2004 12:19:26 GMT -5
A thought came to me when thinking of how warp phenomenon might affect the Warp Zone. As has been stated, stellar events, population densities and other "real space" events and phenomenon affect transition into the warp. what if the "hole" that is the Sargasso Gulf smooths out the warp?
In natural warp space, depressions would be caused by gravitational forces. This is pretty much how you can find star systems in the warp. It is also partially responsible for warp currents. the warp energy flow quickest towards these depressions (path of least resistance).
The effect of the Sargasso Gulf is to eliminate even the depressions caused by star systems. They strong flow created by the stones raised the level of the warp in that area making the naturally occuring depressions all but disappear. Ships can still attempt to exit the Gulf, but there is no way to tellif they are near a system or if they are in the depths of space.
Does this sound like it might have possibilities?
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Post by Kage2020 on Jul 27, 2004 12:50:48 GMT -5
Not entirely sure... it doesn't quite sound right. The Gulf, for some reasons, stills the currents through the creation of a form of interference. Even though it is 'quiet' I would still imagine for there to be some form of exchange of 'energy' between the systems, but... Well, I've no idea.
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