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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 3, 2004 14:32:29 GMT -5
Not sure whether this is the best place to put this thread, but what the heck. CELS has brought up a number of interesting features lately which I thought might be addressed by the concept of a "Cursed Subsector". Anyway, the points that he raised were: - That the Anargo might not have always been the capital of the sector.
- That the involvement of the Ultramarines might have been somewhat 'twee' and that, perhaps, a legion which would become Traitor might be more appropriate.
There were some others but they slip my mind at the moment. The basic premise would have a potential impact on one of two of the historical eras outlined in the Timeline thread: the Horus Heresy or the Age of Apostacy. The logic would have to change slightly between the two, but the core concept should remain... Firstly, the sector was annexed by a legion astartes that would subsequently become Traitor. The 'founding' subsector, which is more to the centre of the sector, then became the capital subsector. (It was the most powerful remnant of a micro-empire from the Age of Strife and thus the 'outer worlds' that form the current subsectors were bypassed; risky, but do-able.) Things were peachy until the Horus Heresy, where the capital subsector decided that it would - practically en masse - side with the Traitors... Thus the subsector could be ended at this point. Loyalist forces manage to beat back the Traitors, razing world after world. (Not virus-bombing, though.) When the capital fell it was to Anargo that the paramount seat would fall. (Perhaps a Warmaster Anargo could be created to fill the role of the triumphant leader?) The ex-capital Traitor subsector, now defeated, is bound by Inquisitorial Seal... Alternatively the timeline could be extended to the Age of Apostacy where it could somewhat ironically be thought of as more loyal to the rule of the High Lords and outwardly decried Vandire... Who then did much the same as the Loyalists would have done above. What is the effect? That there is a 'ghost subsector' out there with all the potential imagery that it could represent... I will not, at this point, go into that... Anyway, I thought that I would offer this up here... Kage
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Post by zholud on Jan 3, 2004 16:30:13 GMT -5
I agree with such idea in general. My points: - Event happened during heresy, not Apostasy.
- The legion should be chosen among Traitors using dice (after all our sector is generated by dice gods)
- We need serious analysis why it wasn’t re-colonised later (I got it that way...)
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Post by CELS on Jan 3, 2004 17:21:37 GMT -5
There were some others but they slip my mind at the moment. I would help you, but I'm afraid all my suggestions sounded pretty interesting to me, so I'm not sure which you're talking about The 'founding' subsector, which is more to the centre of the sector, then became the capital subsector. (It was the most powerful remnant of a micro-empire from the Age of Strife and thus the 'outer worlds' that form the current subsectors were bypassed; risky, but do-able.) The idea could have been that this empire, if brought under the light of the Emperor, would be able to take care of the 'outer worlds' itself. Yeah, risky, but do-able. Things were peachy until the Horus Heresy, where the capital subsector decided that it would - practically en masse - side with the Traitors... Makes sense. Thus the subsector could be ended at this point. Loyalist forces manage to beat back the Traitors, razing world after world. (Not virus-bombing, though.) Why not? When the capital fell it was to Anargo that the paramount seat would fall. (Perhaps a Warmaster Anargo could be created to fill the role of the triumphant leader?) Definitely. We need lots of famous heroes to add character. The ex-capital Traitor subsector, now defeated, is bound by Inquisitorial Seal... The Imperium seems pretty black and white about some things, such as if a planet's purity is compromised, it is either cleansed and rebuilt or put under the knife of the Exterminatus. I haven't heard of any planets that are just quaranteened. Also, these worlds were dedicated to the traitor legions, and one would think that this included daemon worship and other nasty things that would draw the attention of Exterminatus. Alternatively the timeline could be extended to the Age of Apostacy where it could somewhat ironically be thought of as more loyal to the rule of the High Lords and outwardly decried Vandire... Who then did much the same as the Loyalists would have done above. I like this idea better at the moment. For one thing, it's a very unusual twist, and is a lot more interesting than rebelling traitors. Second, it leaves the involvement of the Traitor legions in this sector rather clean. The people of Anargo would hate the traitor legions for their betrayal, but though none would dare to say it, they would all know that the traitor legion only ever brought good to them. If said traitor legion was to suffer an unfair fate, along the lines of the Thousand Sons, this might have an impact on chaos cults in this sector. What is the effect? That there is a 'ghost subsector' out there with all the potential imagery that it could represent... I will not, at this point, go into that... Anyway, I thought that I would offer this up here... Interesting idea, Kage. Of course, it remains to be seen what kind of potential imagery people will think of.
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Post by Minister on Jan 3, 2004 17:35:10 GMT -5
I'm also voteing for an Age of the Apothasy involvment, as far too much harkens back to the Heresy in my opinion. Perhaps this would be a good reason for the Cardinal Primus being seperate from the Capital world, in the upheaval of the Reformation it was thought best that the Ecclesiarchical and Administratum leaders be seperated by distance as well as political means.
We could also use the "Cursed" Sub-sector as the "other" Sub-sector. This alows us to justify it better (anything of real importance was destroyed, and those planets which look promising have been re-colonised, but the old capital remains efectivley dead).
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Post by Tynesh on Jan 5, 2004 11:38:28 GMT -5
Yup the Age of Apostacy will be more interesting to do. Several worlds of which have suffered a near total cleansing by the victors of the Civil war, bombarding the former capital into a mass of tangled ruins. Sub has been declared Perdita and subject to regular sweeps by the fleet to blast any form on rebuilding by anyone who survived? ;D
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 5, 2004 15:33:41 GMT -5
I must assume from the replies that those who have actually, erm, replied are in favour of the concept of the addition of another subsector? Or given the fact that the "Other Subsector" is just hanging around doing nothing, would it best best to 'move' this one so that it can become the "Cursed Subsector"? (Or I can just leave it since increasingly the "Other Subsector" looks like it is only going to be one or two systems at most...) There seems to be some disagreement about whether to set this in the Heresy or the Apostacy... Well, zholud disagrees and thinks that it should be set in the Heresy while everyone else (those limited number of posters) have gone for the Age of Apostacy. With reference to why the subsector would not have been recolonised... It is cursed. Kage
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Post by Minister on Jan 5, 2004 17:31:18 GMT -5
"Sub has been declared Perdita and subject to regular sweeps by the fleet to blast any form on rebuilding by anyone who survived?"
The problem remains of why they would do that. If they remained loyal to the Council of High Lords after Vandire desolved it then they would be lauded as heroes (allright, martyrs) come the Reformation. If we go for them remaining loyal to Vandire, or even trying to pull a Bucharius, however...
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Post by CELS on Jan 5, 2004 19:19:49 GMT -5
Oh, damn. That's some clever thinking right there. The problem with them siding with Vandire is that it still wouldn't get the subsector bombarded, and it's not as cool as the idea of them dying as martyrs.
Hmm...
But as for the 'other subsector', I suggest that since we agreed that it would be in the process of colonisation, we leave it untouched for now, with plans for colonisation. After our project is starting to come along and we want to expand, we push the timeline ahead a few years and open what will be the seventh subsector. A few new worlds, various conflicts and accidents. Frontier fun ;D
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Post by Minister on Jan 6, 2004 17:38:00 GMT -5
"The problem with them siding with Vandire is that it still wouldn't get the subsector bombarded, and it's not as cool as the idea of them dying as martyrs."
Unless they were profiting from Vandires' rule, and there were many who wished to maintain the current state of afairs and stand up against those who turned on him.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 6, 2004 20:39:05 GMT -5
Selfishness masquerading as righteousness... Yes. Most definitely. Something that is very 40k without it actually being emphasised in the propoga... erm, 'fluff'... with all the reference to self-sacrifice! BTW, Minister... Excellent avatar of Penfold there! ;D Kage
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Post by Minister on Jan 8, 2004 16:20:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the old Cardinal Primus of the sector, who did not wish his Dicoese to be broken up into smaller areas, and who had invested billions into his private armies and fleets which he did not want to have taken away. Or perhaps the Sector Command was at the head of an inter-sector criminal organisation which would be threatned by the Reformation.
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Post by CELS on Jan 9, 2004 23:57:27 GMT -5
I'm afraid I still don't understand... What action did this Cardinal and/or his people take that justified bombing the entire subsector into a shrivelled husk? Was there a huge war, which had the few survivors of this subsector move to other worlds, and leave their ghost worlds behind? Just doesn't make sense, if the worlds still have great values in the form of minerals, and if they're still habitable.
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 10, 2004 10:22:45 GMT -5
Which is why it would ultimately be easier to ascribe the 'curse' to the Heresy, I would imagine. Kage
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Post by CELS on Jan 10, 2004 11:02:40 GMT -5
Unless, of course, the Cardinal turned to Chaos...
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Post by Kage2020 on Jan 10, 2004 19:55:38 GMT -5
Well, there is that... I suppose we don't have any Chaos motivations in the sector at the moment. It would also truly 'curse' the subsector and an Inquisitorial seal would be more likely in this situation. What do others think of this? Kage
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