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Post by Sojourner on Jul 30, 2004 5:08:23 GMT -5
A Transit Camp planet?
Sounds good. Maybe the logistics of the Anargo sector in particular have decided that training onboard ship is a waste of resources/inflexible/not good enough and decided to use the Academy as a base...
Possibly the remote base for the Cruciatine relief forces?
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Post by Philip on Aug 3, 2004 22:04:09 GMT -5
Kinda like the big camps set up in World War 2, a place to get everything can be organised before shipping out. It could also be the place that the Imperium puts the final spit shine on their training, or retrains those who are below par. It is where the could learn directly about Imperial cult and be tested on their knowledge and take exams.
All troops leaving this planet are fully compliant with Imperial standards.
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 3, 2004 23:19:04 GMT -5
Alright, that I can except. That has some interest to it and is not exclusive of original concepts. With that said, what about those concepts? Could they (i.e. PDF) still be incorporated?
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Post by Philip on Aug 3, 2004 23:29:59 GMT -5
Yes, but you may need to do a bit of squashing.
PDF=MP=Arbites?
I think 'The Academy' would have a PDF, possible made up of units waiting for assignment, perhaps it is part of their training to serve as temporary PDF for the Academy?
The Academy could still train other forces like other PDF for other worlds like you said, but I see it more as the Imperium keeping tabs and records of all the PDF and making sure they are up to speed. (It may also be a graphic display of power, any PDF going to the Academy will realize what will be brought down on them if they every turn against the Imperium for what ever reason)
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 5, 2004 0:11:31 GMT -5
Hmmn... I can see what you're getting at, though I'm not entirely sure. I'm sure that others would argue that the PDF be a form of military police for the Guard, more so when they more than likely have their own version therein (even if temporary and rotating) in addition to the established Commissariat.
The Imperium doesn't really need even more shows of power. It does that every time one of those ridiculously sized ships comes into orbit.
Once again, a 'staging ground' for Guard units being sent to the 'front' of Castellan does make a sense... more so because it is something that might even persist beyond Anargo's contribution. Since the world would increasingly become merely a 'service industry' would it actually need a PDF when the Guard itself produces that?
Anargo's contribution is becoming somewhat more hazy beyond a 'space station' as part of a tithe, but still... would prefer it to be conceptual rather than just yet another station...
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 2:35:43 GMT -5
As it is one huge military base it doesn't need a PDF in the 'standard' sense. I would drop the term PDF, and use the Arbites as MPs.
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Post by CELS on Aug 5, 2004 4:29:50 GMT -5
The population of the Academy is likely to be tiny. Certainly less than 500,000, so the PDF is really not likely to be any bigger here than on a research station or watch post of the same size. They will certainly have one, since all Imperial worlds do, but I don't see the point in mentioning it, since it will be tiny. Let's face it, if an enemy is invading the Anargo subsector, the last thing they'll bother to attack is the academy, and it's also the last world the Imperium will waste resources to defend.
So... in my opinion. PDF are natives who mostly operate orbital weapons. The planet is basically a big rock, so the Academy itself is the only thing worth defending. The Adeptus Arbites seem like a good choice for policing the visiting forces, I agree. Like Kage says though, there's no need for a show of power, so let's not overemphasize the presence of the Arbites either.
On the purpose of the Academy, I'm still sticking with the idea that it would be a great place to train elite forces such as storm troopers, Navy pilots, and even Legio Titanicus cadets. Of course, this is fully compatible with the 'staging post / boot camp' idea, so no worries there. I still don't see the problem with training mere PDF troopers from the Anargo subsector here, but there you go.
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 4:47:29 GMT -5
500,000?
I was thinking of running at least 0.001% of the population of Invictionburg through there annually.
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Post by CELS on Aug 5, 2004 4:51:45 GMT -5
By population, I meant its native inhabitants. The personnel of the Academy. Professors, instructors, cooks, clerks, emergency medical personnel... everyone who's not just passing through as part of their training.
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Post by Philip on Aug 5, 2004 5:03:50 GMT -5
Still, its going to be quite a large facility: barracks for 20 million takes up quite a bit of room. (or 5 million blocks per quarter?)
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Post by CELS on Aug 5, 2004 5:17:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure I see your point. Yes, it will take up a bit of room. But they won't be sleeping in the Academy class-rooms, I believe. They'll be living in the field of the planet, and the planet is quite big. I imagine that all the soldiers present would live much in the same conditions as they would when fighting the enemy on distant worlds. When not in their ships, soldiers sleep in tents and quickly constructed flak-board barracks most of the time. They eat military rations and use military tooth paste.
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 6, 2004 1:30:31 GMT -5
Population, as from the Guide, is flexible. A small population statistic could be reflective of the stable population and disregard the transient population. Depends on what the adeptus administratum wanted to record at any given time...
Phillip... Please note the rather good arguments against the huge population on Invictonberg. I'm swayed...
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Post by Philip on Aug 7, 2004 0:44:11 GMT -5
Which way?
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Post by Sojourner on Aug 7, 2004 8:08:47 GMT -5
Slightly better conditions than combat areas IMO - they're going to be there for some time. Brick bunk rooms, glazed windows, sprung mattresses, possibly even plumbing...
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Post by Kage2020 on Aug 7, 2004 13:50:00 GMT -5
Please note the Education thread and the potential suggestion of the creation of 'finishing schools' (inappropriate term) given the concept of social emulation and the suggested concept of the schola progenium (i.e. that it services orphans of the Imperium that are both actual and nominal/elective). This might allow the inclusion of some of the concepts of the original Academy while still allowing the increasingly (for me) interesting concept of the staging world.
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