Post by CELS on Nov 9, 2004 7:29:50 GMT -5
Over the past few months, several members have questioned the evaluation system of the Anargo Sector Project. As it stands, this system works like this;
1) A member posts a suggestion (Which may be anything from a world concept to a short story about deep space fishing)
2) Other members offer their questions and compliments if they have any.
3) After a discussion of varying length, the members come to an agreement about the suggestion and any eventual changes are made by its creator.
4) If no agreement can be made, Kage (or one of the Rogue Inquisitors, if Kage is absent) decides what to do.
As mentioned above, several have objected to this system of 'intellectual dictatorship' where everyone has to follow the will of Kage. To some, it would seem that a sort of democracy or even anarchy (where everyone can post what they want) would be much better.
Granted, for some projects, a democracy or anarchy might indeed be better. A democracy does assure that the majority is pleased, and an anarchy does open more possibilities. But... one of the goals of the ASP is to create a coherent vision of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. In order to achieve coherency, we must decide on which direction to follow, and since this Kage was originally created by Kage, it is only reasonable that he is the one choosing the direction of the ASP.
With that said, Kage is not (and has never been) in the habit of ignoring the other members of the forum. Just like everyone else on this forum, Kage will greet new ideas with an open mind and listen to any objections and questions that other members may have. In other words, if you don't agree with his decisions, feel free to speak up in the hope that we may solve our differences and make everyone as happy as possible.
There, that's all I wanted to say, and I hope this will bring an end to all the Off-T discussions about the evaluation system of the ASP and the authority of Kage. Before I finish this post, I'd just like to post a few very relevant and very well written quotes.
Although I see your point, I think that that approach is more suited to a pure discussion forum at Portent than here. Here, we're working not just to punt a bunch of ideas around but to build, from foundations upwards, a detailed and vital portrait of a piece of Imperial space. Although it would be nice if every conversation organically evolved into a picture of each aspect of the 40Kverse that everyone subscribed to, that isn't going to happen: several of us have come into the project with fundamentally different pictures of the setting that just aren't going to mesh without someone giving way somewhere. For the project to go anywhere there has to be someone whose ideas do trump the rest of them to break these deadlocks.
That person is Kage. Kage is the guy who thought up the idea for the project, laid the foundations, set up the original Portent threads and created these forums and recruited the rest of us. That means that, while it's designed to get input from many people and will benefit from a mixture of minds, when you get to the crunchy end it's Kage who has the right to step in and say "I've considered the different points, and now this is what the Project is going to use."
It's not really much of an issue IMO. Look, there are several things that have become part of Anargo canon that I don't agree with, from particular aspects of the background to general principles about the "tone" and defining imagery that's assumed into the groundwork. But that's cool. I just work on the bits of the project that appeal to me, float my ideas when it seems that they'll be useful and where they don't clash too much with the prevailing views of the setting, and remember that the version of the 40Kverse that we're building here is one possible version of it, not laws carved in stone which will bind the whole hobby. When I'm working on stuff to go into the Project, I accept that other people's input is going to modify what I invent and the final word about its validity for the Project, should one ever become necessary, will be Kage's.
In conclusion, the Project will try to accommodate as many people's ideas as possible. By all means argue for your ideas, as vigorously as you wish. However, for the Project to work as a coherent whole there will be times when it needs to be laid down that this piece of fluff is going to work in that way. When a decision like that has to be made, it's always going to contradict some people's personal 40Kverse - sometimes it will be yours. That's unavoidable. And because it's Kage's house, it's Kage's rules.
1) A member posts a suggestion (Which may be anything from a world concept to a short story about deep space fishing)
2) Other members offer their questions and compliments if they have any.
3) After a discussion of varying length, the members come to an agreement about the suggestion and any eventual changes are made by its creator.
4) If no agreement can be made, Kage (or one of the Rogue Inquisitors, if Kage is absent) decides what to do.
As mentioned above, several have objected to this system of 'intellectual dictatorship' where everyone has to follow the will of Kage. To some, it would seem that a sort of democracy or even anarchy (where everyone can post what they want) would be much better.
Granted, for some projects, a democracy or anarchy might indeed be better. A democracy does assure that the majority is pleased, and an anarchy does open more possibilities. But... one of the goals of the ASP is to create a coherent vision of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. In order to achieve coherency, we must decide on which direction to follow, and since this Kage was originally created by Kage, it is only reasonable that he is the one choosing the direction of the ASP.
With that said, Kage is not (and has never been) in the habit of ignoring the other members of the forum. Just like everyone else on this forum, Kage will greet new ideas with an open mind and listen to any objections and questions that other members may have. In other words, if you don't agree with his decisions, feel free to speak up in the hope that we may solve our differences and make everyone as happy as possible.
There, that's all I wanted to say, and I hope this will bring an end to all the Off-T discussions about the evaluation system of the ASP and the authority of Kage. Before I finish this post, I'd just like to post a few very relevant and very well written quotes.
Destecado said:
The Anargo Sector Project must in order to have any degree of continutity have one overriding point of view. Since the project was originated by Kage, he has final say.Sikkukkut said:
Although I see your point, I think that that approach is more suited to a pure discussion forum at Portent than here. Here, we're working not just to punt a bunch of ideas around but to build, from foundations upwards, a detailed and vital portrait of a piece of Imperial space. Although it would be nice if every conversation organically evolved into a picture of each aspect of the 40Kverse that everyone subscribed to, that isn't going to happen: several of us have come into the project with fundamentally different pictures of the setting that just aren't going to mesh without someone giving way somewhere. For the project to go anywhere there has to be someone whose ideas do trump the rest of them to break these deadlocks.
That person is Kage. Kage is the guy who thought up the idea for the project, laid the foundations, set up the original Portent threads and created these forums and recruited the rest of us. That means that, while it's designed to get input from many people and will benefit from a mixture of minds, when you get to the crunchy end it's Kage who has the right to step in and say "I've considered the different points, and now this is what the Project is going to use."
It's not really much of an issue IMO. Look, there are several things that have become part of Anargo canon that I don't agree with, from particular aspects of the background to general principles about the "tone" and defining imagery that's assumed into the groundwork. But that's cool. I just work on the bits of the project that appeal to me, float my ideas when it seems that they'll be useful and where they don't clash too much with the prevailing views of the setting, and remember that the version of the 40Kverse that we're building here is one possible version of it, not laws carved in stone which will bind the whole hobby. When I'm working on stuff to go into the Project, I accept that other people's input is going to modify what I invent and the final word about its validity for the Project, should one ever become necessary, will be Kage's.
In conclusion, the Project will try to accommodate as many people's ideas as possible. By all means argue for your ideas, as vigorously as you wish. However, for the Project to work as a coherent whole there will be times when it needs to be laid down that this piece of fluff is going to work in that way. When a decision like that has to be made, it's always going to contradict some people's personal 40Kverse - sometimes it will be yours. That's unavoidable. And because it's Kage's house, it's Kage's rules.
Destecado said:
In the end, it always comes down to who's going to play god. For the ASP, that position is currently held by Kage. The position of Lucifer is still open though, if you're interested... 